Why do you vote against Labor?

[Ban my account ffs!]

With the loss of a senate seat recently, Labor is down to one senate seat.  Obviously a great majority of you have reasons you don't vote Labor.

I'd like to know why.  I'd also like to know what Labor could do to earn your consideration next time around.

Please use this thread to give suggestions, voice complaints, or simply give your opinion as non-Laborites, or as Laborites who don't vote for Labor candidates.

Thanks a bunch!

[Napoleon]

Oh boy.

[Donerail]

This'll be fun...

Narrowing it down to just one reason: Labor's track record in my region.

[Talleyrand]

This'll be fun...

Narrowing it down to just one reason: Labor's track record in my region.

You mean saving it from inactivity?

In all seriousness, I have no issues with them besides that sometimes they can be far too left for my taste. They have many excellent members- Adam, Gass, Marokai, etc., who've contributed a lot to Atlasia. I was a little bit concerned with their strategic registration in Operation Cottonfield, but it looks like they've stopped.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Ideological reasons. Nothing's gonna change that (except for of course some endorsements thrown my way, but we all know how that works), thanks for trying though.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Ideological reasons. Nothing's gonna change that (except for of course some endorsements thrown my way, but we all know how that works), thanks for trying though.

Why wouldn't you vote against yourself, you partisan.

[Donerail]

This'll be fun...

Narrowing it down to just one reason: Labor's track record in my region.

You mean saving it from inactivity?

Trying to disenfranchise people hardly promotes activity.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Well, my presidential vote would have likely been different if it weren't for the annexation and electoral college proposals...

[Napoleon]

Well, my presidential vote would have likely been different if it weren't for the annexation and electoral college proposals...

Those were my main objections as well, but I don't vote against a party because I'm not an immature child. I'll even support Federalists if they have the best candidate in a race. When labor puts up a decent candidate, like Gass perhaps, I would lend my support. I also made an effort to put Labor in positions of power within my Cabinet which seemingly went thankless. When you put up candidates like Snowstalker and Seatown that attack a party for no reason, you can't really ask why they don't get support. Snowstalker basically had a Senate seat in the bag in August and decided he would rather attack than cooperate. If Labor makes more of an effort to work with other parties instead of against them, there would be no need for this thread. I've never shied away from working with anyone. That's why I reached out to Snowstalker today. I hope that others can follow suit and drop the petty stuff.

[Marokai Backbeat]

For what it's worth, "annexing" was just shorthand for some sort of unification. It could easily be some sort of "free movement/union" agreement that accomplishese the same thing and maintains independence. I don't plan on dropping bombs.

[Napoleon]

For what it's worth, "annexing" was just shorthand for some sort of unification. It could easily be some sort of "free movement/union" agreement that accomplishese the same thing and maintains independence. I don't plan on dropping bombs.

I think I've been pretty open about why I voted the way I voted. I got the impression that Duke (and you, to a lesser extent) took it personally, but I've emphasized over and over that I don't do that.

I wouldn't support any "unification" with Canada or any other euphemism spun on it. Atlasia is enough as it is now.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I think the electoral college is a worse idea...

[Marokai Backbeat]

Guys, the ideas can be debated individually, especially since I proposed a million things. If you disliked 2 things out of, what, 40 individual proposals? I consider that a good rate.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Guys, the ideas can be debated individually, especially since I proposed a million things. If you disliked 2 things out of, what, 40 individual proposals? I consider that a good rate.

We never really agreed on much in the Senate, actually, but personally I think that ideas which fundamentally alter the structure of the game (such as an electoral college) should be rejected.  It won't matter much to me after this June, but I'm still very much against it.

[Napoleon]

I think the electoral college is a worse idea...

I will be honest here. I didn't actually think that such a proposal was feasible, and the chance of something like that getting through the Senate is basically nil. It really struck me as (again, no offense) a typical Marokai campaign tactic. Sure, it's something different but it doesn't actually fix anything or improve the game. I'd compare to past proposals like legislative petitions and national initiatives. They sound creative and interesting but they won't add anything to the game in the end. I prefer to focus my reform efforts on more constructive proposals like committees, voting reform, Cabinet reform and so on. And I think we've made great strides within those and will continue to do so.

My presidential vote was, in effect, a protest vote. We all knew Marokai/Duke was going to win anyway. I've made it very clear that I intend to work closely with the administration to accomplish mutual goals.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Like I said, everyone's free to feel however the want to on the individual ideas. Everyone has their own opinion. No need beating things into the ground.

[Napoleon]

Like I said, everyone's free to feel however the want to on the individual ideas. Everyone has their own opinion. No need beating things into the ground.

That's certainly not my intention. An honest question was asked and I gave an honest answer. My "Oh boy." post was basically that. If you ask this question, you're either going to get lies, or bickering, and so far we've stayed away from that fortunately. A better question would be "Why do you vote against Liberals?" and chances are the answers would be worse.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Like I said, everyone's free to feel however the want to on the individual ideas. Everyone has their own opinion. No need beating things into the ground.

That's certainly not my intention. An honest question was asked and I gave an honest answer. My "Oh boy." post was basically that. If you ask this question, you're either going to get lies, or bickering, and so far we've stayed away from that fortunately. A better question would be "Why do you vote against Liberals?" and chances are the answers would be worse.

Yeah, this thread looks like just another excuse to rustle everyone's jimmies.  Why don't I always vote for Labor?  Because I don't always agree with their candidates or prefer the ideas of the other candidates.  Pretty simple.

[Marokai Backbeat]

Talk to the guy that made the thread, not me.

[tmthforu94]

The John Engle Party's candidates performed poorly in the recent Presidential election, and no one has ever won an elected office under our party. Obviously a great majority of you have reasons you don't vote for the John Engle Party, despite our noble cause.

I'd like to know why. I'd also like to know what the John Engle Party could do to earn your consideration next time around.

Please use this thread to give suggestions, voice complaints, or simply give your opinion as non-JEP, or as JEP member who doesn't vote for JEP candidates.

Thanks a bunch!

[Napoleon]

The John Engle Party's candidates performed poorly in the recent Presidential election, and no one has ever won an elected office under our party. Obviously a great majority of you have reasons you don't vote for the John Engle Party, despite our noble cause.

I'd like to know why. I'd also like to know what the John Engle Party could do to earn your consideration next time around.

Please use this thread to give suggestions, voice complaints, or simply give your opinion as non-JEP, or as JEP member who doesn't vote for JEP candidates.

Thanks a bunch!

John Engle caused me to avoid these boards for however long John Engle was around.

[Velasco]

This'll be fun...
Narrowing it down to just one reason: Labor's track record in my region.

You mean saving it from inactivity?

Trying to disenfranchise people hardly promotes activity.

These are the kind of things that might make me resign from my post and leave the game, even having been newly elected In all seriousness, you're still with the same ill-minded conspirative theories and it seems to be impossible extract the idea from your minds in spite of having discussed this up to the exhaustion.

You have a lot of registered members down here in the South. How many of them are active and contribute ideas for the region? On the other hand, do you like the idea of having political opponents to make the game slightly funny or your idea of the game is having dull and uncontested elections? I think you should consider this question, honestly.

Ideological reasons. Nothing's gonna change that (except for of course some endorsements thrown my way, but we all know how that works), thanks for trying though.

How curious, I have the same problem with the Feds. No, actually only with a few of them. I suppose that there's a cultural factor here, given that in the US the word 'socialist' is taboo, while in Europe socialdemocracy is a mainstream ideology.

I remember something about one of those stupid arguments about 'Operation Cottonfield' and the like. Someone (I think Jbrase, excuse me if I'm wrong) expressed a fear of seeing The South turning into a "far left region". I read a few dabates in the Legislature between Laborites, Feds and 'moderates' and I don't see an actual ideological clash. In general terms everybody is polite and cooperative. But you know, leftists are the evil. I think that I'm slightly more moderate than Griffin or Zanas but, I don't know why, I suspect that some of you regard me as a kind of extremist. In fact the only far-left in Atlasia is the Cultural Marxist thing, that is essentially a joke.

Well, my presidential vote would have likely been different if it weren't for the annexation and electoral college proposals...

I didn't like those proposals and maybe that's the reason why I put a write-in as first preference. However, Marokai-Duke was the only competent and competitive ticket in this election, in my opinion.

[Ban my account ffs!]

Like I said, everyone's free to feel however the want to on the individual ideas. Everyone has their own opinion. No need beating things into the ground.

That's certainly not my intention. An honest question was asked and I gave an honest answer. My "Oh boy." post was basically that. If you ask this question, you're either going to get lies, or bickering, and so far we've stayed away from that fortunately. A better question would be "Why do you vote against Liberals?" and chances are the answers would be worse.

Yeah, this thread looks like just another excuse to rustle everyone's jimmies.  Why don't I always vote for Labor?  Because I don't always agree with their candidates or prefer the ideas of the other candidates.  Pretty simple.

Yeah... I started this thread to further sour the reputation of the Labor Party. 

Both you and Tmth need to lighten up.

[tmthforu94]

Oh come on, I'm just taking this opportunity to also ask folks why they won't for the party of true principle that is fighting for a noble cause.

[Ban my account ffs!]

I want to find out the various beefs that people have with the Labor Party and attempt to resolve those problems in order to increase the appeal of our party.

I know there have been accusations of shenanigans going on, and some of those accusations have been leveled against Labor.

This thread was created in the hopes that people could air their grievances because I want the Labor party to be transparent... because I get the feeling from many people that they don't trust the Labor Party or they have a problem with actions by certain Labor members.

I'd rather this crap be aired out in the fresh air for everybody to see, rather than in the dank, mildewed back alley of PMs