Italy 2013 official results thread

[Leftbehind]

so would Grillo's party's entrance into the parliament be a bad thing? I honestly cannot tell and going by what I am reading on Wikipedia, 5 Star Movement seems decent. What do you guys know about this that I don't?

Grillo is a demagogic madman and M5S has no actual platform besides Grillo yelling about how horrible politicians, politics, the system and the establishment are.

As I thought. Italy is a f'in joke.

[Keystone Phil]

78% reporting in the Camera. The center-left is down to a 1.7% lead.

Not that it matters but the center-left's popular vote lead in the nationwide Senate count is 1.28%. 92% reporting there.

[Keystone Phil]

1.6% margin in the Camera...

[RogueBeaver]

Extrapolating from current trends, Camera should be within a point for Bersani like RAI predicted. Not quite as close as '06, thankfully.

[Andrea]

Italians in Lithuania

Grillo 14 votes
PD 12 votes
PDL 11 votes
Monti 6 votes
Stop the Decline 3 votes
Rest 0

[ag]

The better guide for the Camera, at this point, seems to be the margin. Right now it's just under 408 thousand votes - down from about 500 thousand a couple of hours ago. May be very close

[ZuWo]

The better guide for the Camera, at this point, seems to be the margin. Right now it's just under 408 thousand votes - down from about 500 thousand a couple of hours ago. May be very close

Yes, only 1.5% at this point ...

[ag]

What's surprizing is that it has been a long time since any seats in the Senate changed hands. Many places are quite close, but the lead doesn't change almost anywhere.

[justfollowingtheelections]

so would Grillo's party's entrance into the parliament be a bad thing? I honestly cannot tell and going by what I am reading on Wikipedia, 5 Star Movement seems decent. What do you guys know about this that I don't?

Grillo is a demagogic madman and M5S has no actual platform besides Grillo yelling about how horrible politicians, politics, the system and the establishment are.

Isn't that true though?  He sounds like a typical comedian to me, and I guess what his voters are saying is that you're all a joke and this is what you deserve.
It would be similar to Americans voting for Stephen Colbert.

[ag]

Just over 404 thousand now.

[ag]

And, seconds later, 401.

[minionofmidas]

Cuneo Clown 33.6 (-20.4) Troll 24.5 Left 23.3 (-7.4) Right 15.6. Silvio ahead by 6000 votes in Piemonte. 345 precincts left in Torino Province, 22 in the remainder of the region. The trendline of the last few updates suggests the Left should eke it out, but I may well be wrong with that.

Cremona. Clown 38.6 (-14.4) Left 30.1 (-2.6) Troll 17.2 Right 9.3. We have our first lombard result!

Brixen. SVP 55.4, F 21.1, South Tyrol Greens 6.8, Left 4.6, Right 4.1, Clown 3.8, Troll 3.3.
Meran. SVP 53.5, F 17.6, South Tyrol Greens 7.7, Left 5.4, Clown 4.9, Troll 4.8, Right 4.6.
They really don't consider themselves as living in Italy up there.

Rimini. Left 34.3 (-10.7), Troll 28.8, Clown 24.4 (-17.7), Right 8.4. More Romagna, more new provinces madness.

Ascoli Piceno. Troll 30.4 (ahead by 33 votes), Left 30.4 (-13.2) , Clown 25.0 (-15.8), Right 9.3. Marche.

Taranto. Clown 33.0 (-14.6), Left 27.9 (-9.9), Troll 25.1, Right 8.8.
Brindisi. Clown 38.0 (-10.7), Left 28.1 (-7.8), Troll 21.7, Right 7.9
Our first Apulian provinces. I notice these are far weaker swings than in the northern rightwing strongholds. Vendola can't like that.

Potenza. Left 36.8 (-8.3), Clown 25.0 (-10.2), Troll 21.8, Right 8.5. The bigger one of the two Lucanian provinces.

Trapani. Troll 35.8, Clown 31.9 (-21.4), Left 23.6 (-6.3), Right 5.0. The western tip of Sicily. This area once had a peasant radical tradition that translated into occasional Communist victories in the 50s and 60s. Gone with the wind... or so it seemed until yesterday?

Ogliastra. Left 38.2 (-6.8), Clown 23.5 (-12.8), Troll 22.4, Right 7.1. Tiny (and new) province in eastern Sardinia.

[Benj]

so would Grillo's party's entrance into the parliament be a bad thing? I honestly cannot tell and going by what I am reading on Wikipedia, 5 Star Movement seems decent. What do you guys know about this that I don't?

Grillo is a demagogic madman and M5S has no actual platform besides Grillo yelling about how horrible politicians, politics, the system and the establishment are.

Isn't that true though?  He sounds like a typical comedian to me, and I guess what his voters are saying is that you're all a joke and this is what you deserve.
It would be similar to Americans voting for Stephen Colbert.

Which, while funny, would also be moronic. It wouldn't be equally moronic, though; Colbert demonstrates a sophisticated understanding of policy and doesn't come off as someone who is incapable of taking governance seriously (though I suppose we'll never know).

[ag]

On the other hand, Piedmonte in the Senate is now getting very close. Been stable at around 6,000 votes for a while, but just dipped to under 4000 votes (in favor of the right, still).

[RogueBeaver]

La Repubblica still has a 1.5% Bersani lead for the Camera. Unless you guys have a source that updates even faster, preferably without prompting.

[minionofmidas]

so would Grillo's party's entrance into the parliament be a bad thing? I honestly cannot tell and going by what I am reading on Wikipedia, 5 Star Movement seems decent. What do you guys know about this that I don't?

Grillo is a demagogic madman and M5S has no actual platform besides Grillo yelling about how horrible politicians, politics, the system and the establishment are.

Isn't that true though?  He sounds like a typical comedian to me, and I guess what his voters are saying is that you're all a joke and this is what you deserve.
It would be similar to Americans voting for Stephen Colbert.

Which, while funny, would also be moronic. It wouldn't be equally moronic, though; Colbert demonstrates an understanding of policy and doesn't come off as someone who is incapable of taking governance seriously.

Unlike Berlusconi?

Not that I can blame him, I am incapable of taking Monti and Bersani seriously myself.

[minionofmidas]

La Repubblica still has a 1.5% Bersani lead for the Camera. Unless you guys have a source that updates even faster, preferably without prompting.

1.36point lead on the official gov't site, with about a sixth of precincts left to report.

[ag]

La Repubblica still has a 1.5% Bersani lead for the Camera. Unless you guys have a source that updates even faster, preferably without prompting.

Same source. It is now 382 thousand votes (yes, of course, for Bersani, and it is around 1.5%, but shrinking fast)!

[Keystone Phil]

La Repubblica still has a 1.5% Bersani lead for the Camera. Unless you guys have a source that updates even faster, preferably without prompting.

1.36point lead on the official gov't site, with about a sixth of precincts left to report.

Start biting those nails...

[ag]

368 thousand!

[minionofmidas]

La Repubblica still has a 1.5% Bersani lead for the Camera. Unless you guys have a source that updates even faster, preferably without prompting.

1.36point lead on the official gov't site, with about a sixth of precincts left to report.

Start biting those nails...

Oh, I'm long down to the bone.

[Lurker]

Lead down to 1,3% on La Repubblica

[Benj]

so would Grillo's party's entrance into the parliament be a bad thing? I honestly cannot tell and going by what I am reading on Wikipedia, 5 Star Movement seems decent. What do you guys know about this that I don't?

Grillo is a demagogic madman and M5S has no actual platform besides Grillo yelling about how horrible politicians, politics, the system and the establishment are.

Isn't that true though?  He sounds like a typical comedian to me, and I guess what his voters are saying is that you're all a joke and this is what you deserve.
It would be similar to Americans voting for Stephen Colbert.

Which, while funny, would also be moronic. It wouldn't be equally moronic, though; Colbert demonstrates an understanding of policy and doesn't come off as someone who is incapable of taking governance seriously.

Unlike Berlusconi?

Not that I can blame him, I am incapable of taking Monti and Bersani seriously myself.

I didn't say Berlusconi was capable of taking governance seriously, either. I don't think Grillo is worse than Berlusconi, just an unknown joke as opposed to a known joke.

[RogueBeaver]

Per Grauniad liveblog, apparently Grillo has said he's uninterested in propping either man up and suggested a Grand Coalition.

[ag]

Per Grauniad liveblog, apparently Grillo has said he's uninterested in propping either man up and suggested a Grand Coalition.

Well, that, probably, means another election, indeed.