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« Reply #1200 on: May 06, 2004, 09:46:17 PM »

Well done NDP, let the surge continue! I heard that the writ could be dropped a few days after the Washington trip. I disagree, since that it would only hurt support around Canada to be seen as pro-American, except maybe in the pro-America regions of Ontario and the West.

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How lovely that the international tradition of left-wing anti-Americanism continues... Roll Eyes This is a major reason I tend to oppose leftists in international elections, even if they may be the better party on other issues...which is why I'm glad the FMLN lost the presidential race in El Salvador, as one example. Honestly, when international leftists make a point of being anti-American, they tend to turn Americans against them and toward more nationalistic candidates (usually the Republicans!). I know I feel more like voting for Bush every time an international leftie spouts another screed...


Not Anti-American, Canadians are very anti-Bush, 82% of us don't like him, so for Martin to be cosing up to him is likely unwise. Most international left parties are against America because A) America too far right for their tastes B) America is precieved as Imperialist or C) Whatever the major issue of the day is, they're against America's stance.

Siege

The differences can be hard to detect in rhetoric...as for the int'l left:
A) Tough. We ARE too far right for their tastes, and that ain't likely to change. Mind you, I think the int'l left is used to dealing with the business right, it is the moral and religious right that blow their synapses...not being in favor of moral relativism must be a very unusual position on the left. Smiley
B) We're big, we're rich, we're powerful, and we wield it in our interests. History declares this normal behavior, the left calls it imperialism. Funny how they tend to ignore imperialism of the left (remember Communist military expansion?), but that is to be expected from people who worship Castro. Tongue
C) Knee-jerk anti-Americanism...I KNEW IT! We aren't like them, we never will be, and that must drive the int'l left insane. We ARE correct sometimes you know, but I don't expect the left to admit it...they're still in denial over the whole USSR=evil connection. Wink

Thanks for a measured reply, however! Cheesy

Indeed, the religious right is an aspect that is seen as nuts in America. Case in point that Rhea County instance we talked about earlier this year.

When I raised the issue of Imperialism I did not say that Communist Imperialism was any better than anyother form of Imperialism. I'm not a Communism, and I don't like communism, it's dictatorial, I'm a Socialist, Democracy my friend. I think anyform of Imperialism is bad, American, Communist, British, Japanese or French their all bad in my books. Right of self determination. About worshipping Castro, you must be sniffing glue, Castro is no more important than any other world leader in my books, very few international left wing parties support Castro openly.

Once again, American moralizing of everything, the USSR is no more evil than any other former empire, some of their actions were brutal, but to call the entire nation evil seems a little rediculous. I never said that America was always wrong, but when your government is run by the right there's a lot to disagree with.

Siege

Rhea County was an aberration by anyone's standards. And calling the religious right 'nuts' betrays some biases on the part of all those amoral secular international leftists, doesn't it? Wink The Third World understands the religious right - or to be more precise, devout faith - better than the Europeans and Canadians seem to...that's why the Third World is the great frontier for gaining new adherents (for quite a few religious groups, actually). Mind you, proselytizing religions reap converts in Europe and Canada, too...I wonder how that's going?

Is Imperialism that is designed to spread Democracy bad then? What if the right to self-determination gets hijacked by local elites - actually, that's happened quite a lot!

Glue clears the sinuses... Cheesy

I've run into quite a lot of leftists who get all gooshy about Castro, in large part because they get to indulge their America-bashing...there's plenty of them in the U.S., for that matter. It appears you're an exception, which is good. And 'openly' sure brings up interesting questions...

I call the entire governing structure of the USSR evil, for it corroded the spirits of those who lived under it when it wasn't trying to kill them. And they wanted very much to take over the entire world and spread their odious way of life. No, I'm not condemning every person who lived in it - I feel sorry for them, actually - but the only good thing Communism ever did was increase the literacy rate of the population, albeit through propaganda.

And when YOUR government is run by the left, there's a lot to disagree with...it's a matter of perspective, you see? We could go in circles over that point until the cows come home. If you've ever read other posts of mine, I rather like the religiously devout, so I tend to get tired of the same old secular liberals bashing them for having faith. You've been better than some others on this board on that point, even if you're a left-wing nut. Tongue

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« Reply #1201 on: May 06, 2004, 09:48:10 PM »


Ah, the way of the red X. Much wisdom is to be found in following the red X...
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« Reply #1202 on: May 07, 2004, 04:40:40 AM »

Final prediction LA:

GOP 52.5%
LA 47.5%

freudian slip if ever I saw one Wink.
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« Reply #1203 on: May 07, 2004, 08:27:40 AM »
« Edited: May 09, 2004, 01:57:15 AM by jmfcst »

(see first post of this thread for more charts)

Job growth strong
 
Strong April report shows unemployment rate down to 5.6%; March jobs total revised up.
 
April added 288,000 jobs
March number was revised up to 337,000 jobs from the 308,000

http://money.cnn.com/2004/05/07/news/economy/jobless/index.htm

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« Reply #1204 on: May 07, 2004, 02:14:24 PM »

This number is fantastic.  This and last month's huge increase make me think Bush has nowhere to go but up.  The other side has no economic issue to run on, just bashing american soldiers for pranking terrorist prisoners.
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« Reply #1205 on: May 07, 2004, 02:53:55 PM »

Well done NDP, let the surge continue! I heard that the writ could be dropped a few days after the Washington trip. I disagree, since that it would only hurt support around Canada to be seen as pro-American, except maybe in the pro-America regions of Ontario and the West.

Siege

How lovely that the international tradition of left-wing anti-Americanism continues... Roll Eyes This is a major reason I tend to oppose leftists in international elections, even if they may be the better party on other issues...which is why I'm glad the FMLN lost the presidential race in El Salvador, as one example. Honestly, when international leftists make a point of being anti-American, they tend to turn Americans against them and toward more nationalistic candidates (usually the Republicans!). I know I feel more like voting for Bush every time an international leftie spouts another screed...


Not Anti-American, Canadians are very anti-Bush, 82% of us don't like him, so for Martin to be cosing up to him is likely unwise. Most international left parties are against America because A) America too far right for their tastes B) America is precieved as Imperialist or C) Whatever the major issue of the day is, they're against America's stance.

Siege

The differences can be hard to detect in rhetoric...as for the int'l left:
A) Tough. We ARE too far right for their tastes, and that ain't likely to change. Mind you, I think the int'l left is used to dealing with the business right, it is the moral and religious right that blow their synapses...not being in favor of moral relativism must be a very unusual position on the left. Smiley
B) We're big, we're rich, we're powerful, and we wield it in our interests. History declares this normal behavior, the left calls it imperialism. Funny how they tend to ignore imperialism of the left (remember Communist military expansion?), but that is to be expected from people who worship Castro. Tongue
C) Knee-jerk anti-Americanism...I KNEW IT! We aren't like them, we never will be, and that must drive the int'l left insane. We ARE correct sometimes you know, but I don't expect the left to admit it...they're still in denial over the whole USSR=evil connection. Wink

Thanks for a measured reply, however! Cheesy

Indeed, the religious right is an aspect that is seen as nuts in America. Case in point that Rhea County instance we talked about earlier this year.

When I raised the issue of Imperialism I did not say that Communist Imperialism was any better than anyother form of Imperialism. I'm not a Communism, and I don't like communism, it's dictatorial, I'm a Socialist, Democracy my friend. I think anyform of Imperialism is bad, American, Communist, British, Japanese or French their all bad in my books. Right of self determination. About worshipping Castro, you must be sniffing glue, Castro is no more important than any other world leader in my books, very few international left wing parties support Castro openly.

Once again, American moralizing of everything, the USSR is no more evil than any other former empire, some of their actions were brutal, but to call the entire nation evil seems a little rediculous. I never said that America was always wrong, but when your government is run by the right there's a lot to disagree with.

Siege

Rhea County was an aberration by anyone's standards. And calling the religious right 'nuts' betrays some biases on the part of all those amoral secular international leftists, doesn't it? Wink The Third World understands the religious right - or to be more precise, devout faith - better than the Europeans and Canadians seem to...that's why the Third World is the great frontier for gaining new adherents (for quite a few religious groups, actually). Mind you, proselytizing religions reap converts in Europe and Canada, too...I wonder how that's going?

Is Imperialism that is designed to spread Democracy bad then? What if the right to self-determination gets hijacked by local elites - actually, that's happened quite a lot!

Glue clears the sinuses... Cheesy

I've run into quite a lot of leftists who get all gooshy about Castro, in large part because they get to indulge their America-bashing...there's plenty of them in the U.S., for that matter. It appears you're an exception, which is good. And 'openly' sure brings up interesting questions...

I call the entire governing structure of the USSR evil, for it corroded the spirits of those who lived under it when it wasn't trying to kill them. And they wanted very much to take over the entire world and spread their odious way of life. No, I'm not condemning every person who lived in it - I feel sorry for them, actually - but the only good thing Communism ever did was increase the literacy rate of the population, albeit through propaganda.

And when YOUR government is run by the left, there's a lot to disagree with...it's a matter of perspective, you see? We could go in circles over that point until the cows come home. If you've ever read other posts of mine, I rather like the religiously devout, so I tend to get tired of the same old secular liberals bashing them for having faith. You've been better than some others on this board on that point, even if you're a left-wing nut. Tongue

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Would you care to continue this discussion outside of this thread, it really has nothing to do with any Canadian Election. I'd love to continue arguing about this Wink

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« Reply #1206 on: May 07, 2004, 03:20:53 PM »

Nova Scotia Poll:

Lib  29%
NDP 22%
CPC 19%
Other 7%
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« Reply #1207 on: May 07, 2004, 05:28:21 PM »

Nova Scotia Poll:

Lib  29%
NDP 22%
CPC 19%
Other 7%
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I'm going to Nova Scotia in the summer.
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« Reply #1208 on: May 08, 2004, 02:47:11 PM »

The Liberals' recovery continues:

from http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2226 :

"Potential Liberal Majority Gets More Comfortable

Liberal vs. Bloc Gap Closes In Quebec Conservatives Falter In Atlantic Canada But Gain In Prairies NDP Slip

Seat Range Model Projects Liberals With Potential Majority: 160-164 Seats, Conservative 66-70 Seats, Bloc 56-60 Seats, NDP 18-22 Seats

155 Seats Needed For Majority"
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« Reply #1209 on: May 09, 2004, 09:40:35 PM »

Well done NDP, let the surge continue! I heard that the writ could be dropped a few days after the Washington trip. I disagree, since that it would only hurt support around Canada to be seen as pro-American, except maybe in the pro-America regions of Ontario and the West.

Siege

How lovely that the international tradition of left-wing anti-Americanism continues... Roll Eyes This is a major reason I tend to oppose leftists in international elections, even if they may be the better party on other issues...which is why I'm glad the FMLN lost the presidential race in El Salvador, as one example. Honestly, when international leftists make a point of being anti-American, they tend to turn Americans against them and toward more nationalistic candidates (usually the Republicans!). I know I feel more like voting for Bush every time an international leftie spouts another screed...


Not Anti-American, Canadians are very anti-Bush, 82% of us don't like him, so for Martin to be cosing up to him is likely unwise. Most international left parties are against America because A) America too far right for their tastes B) America is precieved as Imperialist or C) Whatever the major issue of the day is, they're against America's stance.

Siege

The differences can be hard to detect in rhetoric...as for the int'l left:
A) Tough. We ARE too far right for their tastes, and that ain't likely to change. Mind you, I think the int'l left is used to dealing with the business right, it is the moral and religious right that blow their synapses...not being in favor of moral relativism must be a very unusual position on the left. Smiley
B) We're big, we're rich, we're powerful, and we wield it in our interests. History declares this normal behavior, the left calls it imperialism. Funny how they tend to ignore imperialism of the left (remember Communist military expansion?), but that is to be expected from people who worship Castro. Tongue
C) Knee-jerk anti-Americanism...I KNEW IT! We aren't like them, we never will be, and that must drive the int'l left insane. We ARE correct sometimes you know, but I don't expect the left to admit it...they're still in denial over the whole USSR=evil connection. Wink

Thanks for a measured reply, however! Cheesy

Indeed, the religious right is an aspect that is seen as nuts in America. Case in point that Rhea County instance we talked about earlier this year.

When I raised the issue of Imperialism I did not say that Communist Imperialism was any better than anyother form of Imperialism. I'm not a Communism, and I don't like communism, it's dictatorial, I'm a Socialist, Democracy my friend. I think anyform of Imperialism is bad, American, Communist, British, Japanese or French their all bad in my books. Right of self determination. About worshipping Castro, you must be sniffing glue, Castro is no more important than any other world leader in my books, very few international left wing parties support Castro openly.

Once again, American moralizing of everything, the USSR is no more evil than any other former empire, some of their actions were brutal, but to call the entire nation evil seems a little rediculous. I never said that America was always wrong, but when your government is run by the right there's a lot to disagree with.

Siege

Rhea County was an aberration by anyone's standards. And calling the religious right 'nuts' betrays some biases on the part of all those amoral secular international leftists, doesn't it? Wink The Third World understands the religious right - or to be more precise, devout faith - better than the Europeans and Canadians seem to...that's why the Third World is the great frontier for gaining new adherents (for quite a few religious groups, actually). Mind you, proselytizing religions reap converts in Europe and Canada, too...I wonder how that's going?

Is Imperialism that is designed to spread Democracy bad then? What if the right to self-determination gets hijacked by local elites - actually, that's happened quite a lot!

Glue clears the sinuses... Cheesy

I've run into quite a lot of leftists who get all gooshy about Castro, in large part because they get to indulge their America-bashing...there's plenty of them in the U.S., for that matter. It appears you're an exception, which is good. And 'openly' sure brings up interesting questions...

I call the entire governing structure of the USSR evil, for it corroded the spirits of those who lived under it when it wasn't trying to kill them. And they wanted very much to take over the entire world and spread their odious way of life. No, I'm not condemning every person who lived in it - I feel sorry for them, actually - but the only good thing Communism ever did was increase the literacy rate of the population, albeit through propaganda.

And when YOUR government is run by the left, there's a lot to disagree with...it's a matter of perspective, you see? We could go in circles over that point until the cows come home. If you've ever read other posts of mine, I rather like the religiously devout, so I tend to get tired of the same old secular liberals bashing them for having faith. You've been better than some others on this board on that point, even if you're a left-wing nut. Tongue

WMS Smiley

Would you care to continue this discussion outside of this thread, it really has nothing to do with any Canadian Election. I'd love to continue arguing about this Wink

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Sure, no problem. Wink Any suggestions as to where we move this?

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« Reply #1210 on: May 10, 2004, 02:58:39 AM »

The Liberals' recovery continues:

from http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2226 :

"Potential Liberal Majority Gets More Comfortable

Liberal vs. Bloc Gap Closes In Quebec Conservatives Falter In Atlantic Canada But Gain In Prairies NDP Slip

Seat Range Model Projects Liberals With Potential Majority: 160-164 Seats, Conservative 66-70 Seats, Bloc 56-60 Seats, NDP 18-22 Seats

155 Seats Needed For Majority"

Ipsos has a historical tendency to overestimate the Greens and underestimate the Dippers (ala last years Ontario election)... overall I prefer an Environics poll...
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« Reply #1211 on: May 10, 2004, 05:00:39 PM »

Well done NDP, let the surge continue! I heard that the writ could be dropped a few days after the Washington trip. I disagree, since that it would only hurt support around Canada to be seen as pro-American, except maybe in the pro-America regions of Ontario and the West.

Siege

How lovely that the international tradition of left-wing anti-Americanism continues... Roll Eyes This is a major reason I tend to oppose leftists in international elections, even if they may be the better party on other issues...which is why I'm glad the FMLN lost the presidential race in El Salvador, as one example. Honestly, when international leftists make a point of being anti-American, they tend to turn Americans against them and toward more nationalistic candidates (usually the Republicans!). I know I feel more like voting for Bush every time an international leftie spouts another screed...


Not Anti-American, Canadians are very anti-Bush, 82% of us don't like him, so for Martin to be cosing up to him is likely unwise. Most international left parties are against America because A) America too far right for their tastes B) America is precieved as Imperialist or C) Whatever the major issue of the day is, they're against America's stance.

Siege

The differences can be hard to detect in rhetoric...as for the int'l left:
A) Tough. We ARE too far right for their tastes, and that ain't likely to change. Mind you, I think the int'l left is used to dealing with the business right, it is the moral and religious right that blow their synapses...not being in favor of moral relativism must be a very unusual position on the left. Smiley
B) We're big, we're rich, we're powerful, and we wield it in our interests. History declares this normal behavior, the left calls it imperialism. Funny how they tend to ignore imperialism of the left (remember Communist military expansion?), but that is to be expected from people who worship Castro. Tongue
C) Knee-jerk anti-Americanism...I KNEW IT! We aren't like them, we never will be, and that must drive the int'l left insane. We ARE correct sometimes you know, but I don't expect the left to admit it...they're still in denial over the whole USSR=evil connection. Wink

Thanks for a measured reply, however! Cheesy

Indeed, the religious right is an aspect that is seen as nuts in America. Case in point that Rhea County instance we talked about earlier this year.

When I raised the issue of Imperialism I did not say that Communist Imperialism was any better than anyother form of Imperialism. I'm not a Communism, and I don't like communism, it's dictatorial, I'm a Socialist, Democracy my friend. I think anyform of Imperialism is bad, American, Communist, British, Japanese or French their all bad in my books. Right of self determination. About worshipping Castro, you must be sniffing glue, Castro is no more important than any other world leader in my books, very few international left wing parties support Castro openly.

Once again, American moralizing of everything, the USSR is no more evil than any other former empire, some of their actions were brutal, but to call the entire nation evil seems a little rediculous. I never said that America was always wrong, but when your government is run by the right there's a lot to disagree with.

Siege

Rhea County was an aberration by anyone's standards. And calling the religious right 'nuts' betrays some biases on the part of all those amoral secular international leftists, doesn't it? Wink The Third World understands the religious right - or to be more precise, devout faith - better than the Europeans and Canadians seem to...that's why the Third World is the great frontier for gaining new adherents (for quite a few religious groups, actually). Mind you, proselytizing religions reap converts in Europe and Canada, too...I wonder how that's going?

Is Imperialism that is designed to spread Democracy bad then? What if the right to self-determination gets hijacked by local elites - actually, that's happened quite a lot!

Glue clears the sinuses... Cheesy

I've run into quite a lot of leftists who get all gooshy about Castro, in large part because they get to indulge their America-bashing...there's plenty of them in the U.S., for that matter. It appears you're an exception, which is good. And 'openly' sure brings up interesting questions...

I call the entire governing structure of the USSR evil, for it corroded the spirits of those who lived under it when it wasn't trying to kill them. And they wanted very much to take over the entire world and spread their odious way of life. No, I'm not condemning every person who lived in it - I feel sorry for them, actually - but the only good thing Communism ever did was increase the literacy rate of the population, albeit through propaganda.

And when YOUR government is run by the left, there's a lot to disagree with...it's a matter of perspective, you see? We could go in circles over that point until the cows come home. If you've ever read other posts of mine, I rather like the religiously devout, so I tend to get tired of the same old secular liberals bashing them for having faith. You've been better than some others on this board on that point, even if you're a left-wing nut. Tongue

WMS Smiley

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Sure, no problem. Wink Any suggestions as to where we move this?

WMS

We can continue our discussion through e-mails, feel free to e-mail me at siege40@hotmail.com

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« Reply #1212 on: May 11, 2004, 04:36:29 AM »

My guess, around 2% growth in 2004, job growth 500K to 1 million, unemployment rate 5.8%-6.3%.

JNB, job growth for the first four months of 2004 is 850k with 5.6% unemployment and a 1Q GDP of 4.2%.

What were the names of those european magazines you claimed were better than the WSJ?
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« Reply #1213 on: May 11, 2004, 11:39:07 AM »

Anyone know how Canadians cities are voting?
I know Halifax- NDP & Calgary- CPC, but what about
Vancouver,
Toronto,
Montreal,
Ottawa,
Quebec City (BQ?)
Edmonton (CPC?)
Winnepeg &
Victoria?
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« Reply #1214 on: May 11, 2004, 11:54:01 AM »

Anyone know how Canadians cities are voting?
I know Halifax- NDP & Calgary- CPC, but what about
Vancouver,
Toronto,
Montreal,
Ottawa,
Quebec City (BQ?)
Edmonton (CPC?)
Winnepeg &
Victoria?

Vancouver=Liberal throughout the '90's, NDP this year... Basically the further West you get in Vancouver, the more affluent and less Dipper friendly you get... Vancouver East is rock solid NDP while in Vancouver Quadra... the NDP won't get over 15%.
Toronto=Liberal throughout the '90's, will be mostly Liberal this time round, but the NDP will probably win a load of seats in the Old City of Toronto (as opposed to the Megacity) and have a chance in some of the more deprived inner suburban seats. The Tories have a chance in two upscale ridings.
Montreal=Canadian Observer will know a lot more about this than me... but basically the West Island is the most Liberal part of Canada (the LPC cracked *90%* in a by-election in Mount Royal a few years back...) while the rest is more Bloq leaning.
Quebec City=More BQ than anything else... the Liberals have some strength and the CPC might do o.k in one of the suburban ridings.
Edmonton=Split between the Liberals and the CPC... although the NDP are targeting Edmonton-Strathcona.
Winnepeg=Liberal in the late '80's/early '90's but returned to it's NDP roots in 1997. The NDP dominate the solidly working class north of the City, while the Liberals do well further south.
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« Reply #1215 on: May 12, 2004, 10:12:34 PM »

Finally ... We should get election on June 28th...

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1084388088812_79797288///?hub=Canada
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« Reply #1216 on: May 13, 2004, 03:14:42 AM »


Interesting (capitalising on the poor showings of the CPC in the polls?)... what's your guess as to how well the Liberals will do in Quebec?
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« Reply #1217 on: May 13, 2004, 05:46:24 AM »

More news:

1) Former Saskatchewan Premier, Grant Devine (the most corrupt in Saskatchewan's (and probably Canada's) history) is to run as an Independent in Souris-Moose Mountain after being blocked from the CPC nomination.

2) Yet another pre-election pledge to clean up the Sydney Tar Ponds has been made...

3) Police have been asked to investigate the Liberal nomination in Vancouver Centre
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« Reply #1218 on: May 13, 2004, 01:21:05 PM »
« Edited: May 13, 2004, 01:21:44 PM by Canadian observer »


Interesting (capitalising on the poor showings of the CPC in the polls?)... what's your guess as to how well the Liberals will do in Quebec?

The LPC faces two possibilities in Quebec :

1) They screw up badly and end up with 20 seats or less. Quebec is now the province where Martin's personal popularity is the lowest. The sponsorship scandal doesn't seem to have run out its life.  Even though polls put this issue way behind healthcare, most conversations about politics among French Quebecers are about the scandal and the way Quebec Liberal Premier, Jean Charest, is highly unpopular.

2) The other possibility is the Federal Liberals lose just a few seats and end up with 28 to 30 seats.  Thus, Martin sauve les meubles.  As we say in French, Martin at least kept the furniture safe.  For that to happen, the Bloc québécois will have to screw its campaign, which doesn't seem to happen.

Most Martin's advisers from Quebec wanted no election until Fall, because of the scandal.
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« Reply #1219 on: May 13, 2004, 01:30:09 PM »

More news:

1) Former Saskatchewan Premier, Grant Devine (the most corrupt in Saskatchewan's (and probably Canada's) history) is to run as an Independent in Souris-Moose Mountain after being blocked from the CPC nomination.

Al, you don't need brackets and "probably's" for Devine, he was the most corrupt.  At least the CPC has shown they're somewhat principled ...

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...Never heard of before the election and never will after...

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Liberals are really going to lose all their seats in BC ...
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« Reply #1220 on: May 13, 2004, 03:15:23 PM »

More news:

1) Former Saskatchewan Premier, Grant Devine (the most corrupt in Saskatchewan's (and probably Canada's) history) is to run as an Independent in Souris-Moose Mountain after being blocked from the CPC nomination.

Al, you don't need brackets and "probably's" for Devine, he was the most corrupt.  At least the CPC has shown they're somewhat principled ...

Grin Devine was one hell of a corrupt bastard... his cabinet included someone later convicted of killing his wife... and plenty of others who got sent down for fraud...
What's disturbing is that he actually has a good chance at *winning*... Sad ... he was one of the few Sask PC's to suvive the Romanow landslide...

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People in Sydney have *really* been screwed by the "cleanup" con... the same promise is made every election... and is broken 5 seconds after the Cape Breton results come in...

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Dosanjh *should* win in Vancouver South... if only because the NDP candidate is a total joke... and Quadra is normally Liberal (dunno 'bout this year though) but Vancouver Centre looks like a gonner...
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« Reply #1221 on: May 13, 2004, 04:17:04 PM »

The time draws near, there's no stopping it now. The feeling I have and that I'm precieving is that most people will bite their lip and vote Liberal. The NDP won't get elected, I admit that, but I hope we win a lot of seats. The Conservatives are talking about the Privization of Healthcare, the Canadian "Third Rail" of politics. The Liberals will get minority, and I will smile, I'll see it as a small victory, good enough though. Let slip the dogs of war!

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« Reply #1222 on: May 18, 2004, 12:59:50 PM »

Update on BC: Dosanjh's apparent endorsement of Mahoney in Ottawa Centre has gone down like a lead ballon in Vancouver... it could be '84/'88 again with only Vancouver Quadra going Liberal...
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« Reply #1223 on: May 18, 2004, 08:59:12 PM »

If Ipsos-Reid is accurate, it looks like the Liberals' sponsorship scandal setback is over.

http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=2234

"Liberals Move Into Solid Majority Territory But Voters Still Volatile

Liberals (40%), Conservatives (24%), NDP (15%), Bloc (46% In Quebec), Green (5%)

Seat Model Projects Liberals With 171-175 Seats, Conservatives 56-60 Seats, Bloc 54-58 Seats, NDP 17-21 Seats If Vote Held Today 155 Seats Needed For Majority"
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« Reply #1224 on: May 19, 2004, 03:24:32 AM »

Ipsos's seat projection thing is *very* dodgy... I'd guess that most of the changes are statistical blips... I'd *really* like to see another Environics poll...
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One other note: there's a tendency in BC for about half the pre-writ Liberal supporters to jump ship during the campaign...
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