2004 Democratic Primary

[Filuwaúrdjan]

New SES/CPAC tracking poll:
Lib 36, Con 25, NDP 22

What about the Bloc and Green? 15% Block 2% Green? Do you guys think that the Greens will win any seats at all this election, if so will they get the required seats for party status (3 I think) in your opinion?

Siege

BQ 13, Green 5
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12 seats are needed for party status... no way in hell the greenies get close to that... they *do* have a chance to win Saanich-Gulf Islands in BC though. But only because it's a *four way* race...
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I think that 22% for the Dipper's may be their highest number in a respected poll for over 10 years.

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

New SES/CPAC tracking poll:
Lib 36, Con 25, NDP 22

What does party status mean?  I remember a couple years ago the NDP had like 5 seats, and the PC had 2, and they were called "parties" and included in the debates and such.

What about the Bloc and Green? 15% Block 2% Green? Do you guys think that the Greens will win any seats at all this election, if so will they get the required seats for party status (3 I think) in your opinion?

Siege

BQ 13, Green 5
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12 seats are needed for party status... no way in hell the greenies get close to that... they *do* have a chance to win Saanich-Gulf Islands in BC though. But only because it's a *four way* race...
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I think that 22% for the Dipper's may be their highest number in a respected poll for over 10 years.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

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It's to do with research money and stuff

[Trilobyte]

Official party status means:

- federal funding for research
- right to ask questions during Question Period
- your MPs are referred to by party name rather than as an Independent

[© tweed]

A cool little graphic I got from pollingreport.

[leftofcentre]

Hey all,

I don't know how many people here are actually from Canada, but I am.  One of the things that I find most frustrating about our electoral system is that, when voting, I often clash between whether to vote locally and take my MP into consideration, or whether to vote federally and take the party leader into consideration.  For example, last election I hated my Liberal Candidate for MP but loved Chretien.  This election, I love my Liberal Candidate and hate Martin.

Then I started thinking about how I'd vote if our country was like the US and we elected our PM like a President.  Personally, I'd vote for a Liberal MP but Jack Layton (NDP) for Prime Minister.

Anyone else care to voice their opinions?  Or, for those outside of canada, any thoughts on which leader you'd prefer?

[Trilobyte]

Hey all,

I don't know how many people here are actually from Canada, but I am.  One of the things that I find most frustrating about our electoral system is that, when voting, I often clash between whether to vote locally and take my MP into consideration, or whether to vote federally and take the party leader into consideration.  For example, last election I hated my Liberal Candidate for MP but loved Chretien.  This election, I love my Liberal Candidate and hate Martin.

Then I started thinking about how I'd vote if our country was like the US and we elected our PM like a President.  Personally, I'd vote for a Liberal MP but Jack Layton (NDP) for Prime Minister.

Anyone else care to voice their opinions?  Or, for those outside of canada, any thoughts on which leader you'd prefer?

Unless your MP is in the cabinet, he/she doesn't really have any power. So if that's the case your best bet is to vote for the party leader you want, and forget about the MP.

For that matter, even if your MP is in cabinet, he/she MUST vote along party lines in Parliament. So I always just consider the party.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

A cool little graphic I got from pollingreport.

That first big dip in Feb 2004 is about Iraq.  That last dip is all about gas prices.  It won't affect consumer spending, but it still hurts Bush.

After OPEC agrees to increase production Thursday, Bush needs to wait a couple of days until OPEC has committed to deliveries for the next 4 weeks...then Bush needs to release 100 million barrels from the reserve along with lifting mixture restrictions.

Bush is not to blame for the rise in oil prices, but he is to blame for not doing something to bring the price back down to $30.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Montréal[/b]

Ahuntsic: LPC S
Alfred-Pellan: NCF
Bourassa: LPC S
Hochelaga: BQ RS
Honoré-Mercier: LPC S
Jeanne-Le Ber: LPC S
Lac-Saint-Louis: LPC RS
La Pointe-de-l'Île: BQ S
LaSalle-Émard: LPC RS
Laurier: BQ RS
Laval: NCF
Laval-Les Îles: LPC S
Marc-Aurèle-Fortin: BQ M
Mount Royal: LPC RS
Notre-Dame-de-Grâce-Lachine: LPC RS
Outremont: LPC RS
Papineau: LPC RS
Pierrefonds-Dollard: LPC RS
Rosemont-La Petite-Patrie: BQ S
Saint-Laurent-Cartierville: LPC RS
Saint-Léonard-Saint-Michel: LPC RS
Westmount-Ville-Marie: LPC RS

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

What I would do?

Write-in: Belinda Stronach!  I think she's awesome!

Harper gives me the creeps... though perhaps he's not all that bad.  Martin would be a great leader for the Conservative Party... though I probably wouldn't be able to bear voting for a Liberal MP just to get him

Hey all,

I don't know how many people here are actually from Canada, but I am.  One of the things that I find most frustrating about our electoral system is that, when voting, I often clash between whether to vote locally and take my MP into consideration, or whether to vote federally and take the party leader into consideration.  For example, last election I hated my Liberal Candidate for MP but loved Chretien.  This election, I love my Liberal Candidate and hate Martin.

Then I started thinking about how I'd vote if our country was like the US and we elected our PM like a President.  Personally, I'd vote for a Liberal MP but Jack Layton (NDP) for Prime Minister.

Anyone else care to voice their opinions?  Or, for those outside of canada, any thoughts on which leader you'd prefer?

[Siege40]

I'm starting to write out a platform for massive Federal election reform in Canada. I don't much care for the US example for voting. The Caucus/Primary system gives me a headache, not to mention that whole elector system. When I finish working out the system reform I might post it here. To be perfectly honest I've never cared who the local canidate was, just the party. Not that it matters, in my riding I don't think the NDP have ever won, which is why reform is needed, so all voices are heard.

Siege

[Filuwaúrdjan]

*WARNING*

Most polls are showing the Grits with a small lead over the Tories and with the NDP polling strong.

BUT...

Most polls at the moment are of little use (except for Environics) until the debates (June 14/15th)

[© tweed]

Will the debates be on CSPAN or something?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Will the debates be on CSPAN or something?

www.cbc.ca will probably have it on their site.

[Siege40]

Will the debates be on CSPAN or something?

www.cbc.ca will probably have it on their site.

Global, CTV, CBC CBC Newsworld, CPAC and BBC Canada should all be covering it.

Siege

[© tweed]

Thanks guys

Go LPC!

[Trilobyte]

This one's funny:

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This one's funny:

[Filuwaúrdjan]

SES Tracker has a statistical dead heat:

Con 34, Lib 32, NDP 20, BQ 10, Grn 4
DECIDED voters only  

Those debates *are* crucial it seems...

[Beaver]

Hey all,

I don't know how many people here are actually from Canada, but I am.  One of the things that I find most frustrating about our electoral system is that, when voting, I often clash between whether to vote locally and take my MP into consideration, or whether to vote federally and take the party leader into consideration.  For example, last election I hated my Liberal Candidate for MP but loved Chretien.  This election, I love my Liberal Candidate and hate Martin.

Then I started thinking about how I'd vote if our country was like the US and we elected our PM like a President.  Personally, I'd vote for a Liberal MP but Jack Layton (NDP) for Prime Minister.

Anyone else care to voice their opinions?  Or, for those outside of canada, any thoughts on which leader you'd prefer?

I am in Canada. I am a Conservative and will vote Conservative, but I'm not crazy about Harper. I come from the Progressive Conservatives and wasn't too keen on Alliance. I am however glad that the parties merged. It actually gives us a chance!

[Siege40]

Hey all,

I don't know how many people here are actually from Canada, but I am.  One of the things that I find most frustrating about our electoral system is that, when voting, I often clash between whether to vote locally and take my MP into consideration, or whether to vote federally and take the party leader into consideration.  For example, last election I hated my Liberal Candidate for MP but loved Chretien.  This election, I love my Liberal Candidate and hate Martin.

Then I started thinking about how I'd vote if our country was like the US and we elected our PM like a President.  Personally, I'd vote for a Liberal MP but Jack Layton (NDP) for Prime Minister.

Anyone else care to voice their opinions?  Or, for those outside of canada, any thoughts on which leader you'd prefer?

I am in Canada. I am a Conservative and will vote Conservative, but I'm not crazy about Harper. I come from the Progressive Conservatives and wasn't too keen on Alliance. I am however glad that the parties merged. It actually gives us a chance!

You poor misguided... Beaver, voting Conservative is a TERRIBLE idea, hopefully the fates will smile upon us and give us a Liberal Minority government, or if worse comes to worse, a Conservative minority.

Siege

[Beaver]

You poor misguided... Beaver, voting Conservative is a TERRIBLE idea, hopefully the fates will smile upon us and give us a Liberal Minority government, or if worse comes to worse, a Conservative minority.

Siege

I assume you are an NDP fan. My dad worked for and is good friends with Brian Mulroney so there is absolutely no chance I am switching parties.

[Siege40]

You poor misguided... Beaver, voting Conservative is a TERRIBLE idea, hopefully the fates will smile upon us and give us a Liberal Minority government, or if worse comes to worse, a Conservative minority.

Siege

I assume you are an NDP fan. My dad worked for and is good friends with Brian Mulroney so there is absolutely no chance I am switching parties.

Where are you from (Province) and where is your riding?

Siege

[Beaver]

You poor misguided... Beaver, voting Conservative is a TERRIBLE idea, hopefully the fates will smile upon us and give us a Liberal Minority government, or if worse comes to worse, a Conservative minority.

Siege

I assume you are an NDP fan. My dad worked for and is good friends with Brian Mulroney so there is absolutely no chance I am switching parties.

Where are you from (Province) and where is your riding?

Siege

I live in Ajax, Ontario. It's a safe Liberal seat

[Siege40]

You poor misguided... Beaver, voting Conservative is a TERRIBLE idea, hopefully the fates will smile upon us and give us a Liberal Minority government, or if worse comes to worse, a Conservative minority.

Siege

I assume you are an NDP fan. My dad worked for and is good friends with Brian Mulroney so there is absolutely no chance I am switching parties.

Where are you from (Province) and where is your riding?

Siege

I live in Ajax, Ontario. It's a safe Liberal seat

I'm not to far away in Brampton West. Which likely will be won by the Conservatives, Tony Clement is here. You're right, I'm a New Democrat, luckily for us, even if the Conservatives are elected they'll have to water down their agenda for the Bloc, NDP or Liberals to help them pass, and a new election would likely be called by Fall or Winter 2005.

Siege