2004 Democratic Primary

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Excellent post

Not a lot I can add really...

Except: I just looked at the Canadian Parliament's website (it has a huge election results archive), and I've noticed that the NDP usually come second in Ottawa Centre.
With a star candidate like Broadbent, the NDP have a good shot at picking it up in a by-election.

St-Maurice-Champlain doesn't vote Liberal... it votes Chrétien (local boy come good syndrome).
No Chrétien=probable BQ pickup.

[Canadian observer]

St-Maurice-Champlain doesn't vote Liberal... it votes Chrétien (local boy come good syndrome).
No Chrétien=probable BQ pickup.

Jean Chrétien didn't carry St-Maurice by great margins compared to Liberal scores in western areas of Montreal.  To compare, just look at Mont-Royal, Qc.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

True... but Chrétien was just about the only Liberal who could carry St-Maurice in the 1990's

[Canadian observer]

True... but Chrétien was just about the only Liberal who could carry St-Maurice in the 1990's

Yes ... And being PM and Liberal leader surely helped...

[Siege40]

Part of the reason he didn't do well is that they saw Chretien as a traitor to Quebec. Who ever runs there as long as they have a good record and a native son (or daughter) could do well.

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[minionofmidas]

Obviously, before the Sponsorship Scandal, everything suggested Martin should call a vote quickly. By now, I'm not so sure anymore. I'll admit there's still a good argument that now's better than next year, but victory doesn't look a certainty now, and who knows what next year will bring?

[Canadian observer]

Obviously, before the Sponsorship Scandal, everything suggested Martin should vote quickly. By now, I'm not so sure anymore. I'll admit there's still a good argument that now's better than last year, but victory doesn't look a certainty now, and who knows what next year will bring?

Yep... who knows what may happen in the future...

It was the story of a man who was minister in the Liberal cabinet government.  Not able to wait for the departure of his boss, the PM, he quit the cabinet for an indeterminate period of time.  The minister's ambition is rewarded when he won the leadership contest, that ensued the boss' resignation, and thus became PM.  His victory was hailed as a new era for the Liberals and the new PM was about to vanquish the new Conservative leader in a landslide, based on the polls.  But the former PM left many skeletons in the closet, leaving the new PM to explain and shout he knew and could do nothing about.  The explanations of the ambitious new PM could hold for only a couple of month, but they crumbled during the election campaign.  In the campaign, the Liberal leader receives his KO in the debate.  "You could've done something; you should've said no [to the PM]", told the Conservative leader to the ambitious PM.  After the debate, support for the Liberals crumbled, and the party obtained its worst results in 20 years ...

Am I telling a story on Paul Martin? No, it's the story of John Turner, former Liberal leader from 1984 to 1990, who succeeded P.E. Trudeau.

[Siege40]

Nicely put Canadian Observer. I think the thing that bothers me most about the Sponsership Scandal is that it was Jean Chretien, I liked Chretien a lot, he's the only PM I knew of my entire life, not to mention I just liked him. He had a certain charm, now, this will ruin his reputation in the history books for sure.

Martin should call the election asap before the inquiry finds a titbit (or timbit) of information that points to him, it's a race against time Pauly, get to it.

I just don't want to see Harper in Sussex Drive, those Alliance guys have said some really crazy right-wing stuff, like returning Canada to a unilingual country. A minority Liberal, or a joint Liberal-NDP government could be excellent, that is if the NDP are given some significant role. Or a minority NDP, despite how remote that is... sigh it's such an uphill battle for them...

Siege40

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[minionofmidas]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

[Siege40]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

So would I But sadly I have to have some sort of sense of Reality. That or other Canadians laugh at you.

I wonder if the NDP find a strong issue to run on could they make it to 30% cause that could be enough to form a government or is it 40%... can't remember...

Siege40

[dunn]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

So would I But sadly I have to have some sort of sense of Reality. That or other Canadians laugh at you.

I wonder if the NDP find a strong issue to run on could they make it to 30% cause that could be enough to form a government or is it 40%... can't remember...

Siege40

Siege40
you don't have to sign at the ens of post, it got your name near the avatar

[minionofmidas]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

So would I But sadly I have to have some sort of sense of Reality. That or other Canadians laugh at you.

Thankfully I can act without such constraints.

[Canadian observer]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

So would I But sadly I have to have some sort of sense of Reality. That or other Canadians laugh at you.

Unfortunaltely... I'm one who's trying to avoid laughing.  Sorry

[minionofmidas]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

So would I But sadly I have to have some sort of sense of Reality. That or other Canadians laugh at you.

I wonder if the NDP find a strong issue to run on could they make it to 30% cause that could be enough to form a government or is it 40%... can't remember...

Siege40

Siege40
you don't have to sign at the ens of post, it got your name near the avatar

I guess he knows that. It's a style thing, he's not the only one to do it. So do Kevin Lamoreau (kevinstat), HoopsCubs, and Saratoga.

[dunn]

I'd prefer an NDP majority government.

So would I But sadly I have to have some sort of sense of Reality. That or other Canadians laugh at you.

I wonder if the NDP find a strong issue to run on could they make it to 30% cause that could be enough to form a government or is it 40%... can't remember...

Siege40

Siege40
you don't have to sign at the ens of post, it got your name near the avatar

I guess he knows that. It's a style thing, he's not the only one to do it. So do Kevin Lamoreau (kevinstat), HoopsCubs, and Saratoga.

I know that he knows
still Kevin is posting long and few posts, anyway it is not a progressive thing to do (j/k)

[minionofmidas]

Well, it obviously is, Natalie, as can be seen from the fact it's done by 16% of Progressives, but 0% of registered Republicans and Democrats.

[Siege40]

Oh, I know that it's not required... I quess I like it though, I never wondered why, just a style, if you really want me to change it in the name of Progressiveness I would.

Siege40

[Filuwaúrdjan]

www.electionprediction.com has finally started doing the Federal election.

[dunn]

www.electionprediction.com has finally started doing the Federal election.

that's nice

[Kevinstat]

www.electionprediction.com has finally started doing the Federal election.

cool

(I'm trying to combat my reputation for only posting long, infrequent posts )

Sincerely,

me

[dunn]

www.electionprediction.com has finally started doing the Federal election.

cool

(I'm trying to combat my reputation for only posting long, infrequent posts )

Sincerely,

me

lol

[Canadian observer]

Today's the CPC leadership contest. Here's the results, based on what I'm watching on the CPAC Channel

Stephen Harper: 12294 points
Belinda Stronach: 9501 points
Tony Clement: 2359 points

[Canadian observer]

Frank McKenna, former Liberal Premier of New Brunswick, has announced he won't seek a federal seat in the upcoming federal election.  That's bad news for Martin's Liberals, as they're scrambling to catch star candidates.  Their task has been pretty difficult since the outbreak of the Sponsorship Scandal.

[Canadian observer]

Here's an update from CTV.

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[Canadian observer]

Stephen Harper has finally won the CPC leadership contest in the first ballot.

Here's the results aired on CPAC.

Stephen Harper: 15,614.7 points
Belinda Stronach: 9,922.2 points
Tony Clement: 2,663.1 points