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Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
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« on: February 28, 2013, 06:11:18 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2013, 06:11:48 AM »

Senator you have 24 hours to begin a substantive advocacy for this.
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« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2013, 10:52:17 AM »

The premise is simple. Voters have rights and we ought to make those rights public. Many states have something similar to this in place; this is reconstructed to fit Atlasia. I think its pretty straight forward, we spent a decent amount of time discussing ethics in voting with the Vote Sanctity Act so if there's no opposition I would be fine going the UC route with this. Smiley

Probably the biggest change is allowing the AG to look into suspected voter fraud cases and refer it to the Court if necessary. I don't expect that will be controversial though.
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« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2013, 01:48:39 PM »

Clause 5 is enough to send red flags alone.
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« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2013, 03:24:11 PM »

Clause 5 is enough to send red flags alone.

Yeah, I also have concerns about Clauses 3 and 5. What constitutes "coercion or intimidation?" Is it intimidation to send three private messages? I'm the chairman of a political party, so I sort of have an interest in mounting aggressive, hard-fought campaigns. I'd like to know that I'm in the clear.

Also, what counts as "interference on the basis of candidate preference?" Sorry, but I plan on telling voters exactly who I think should have their first preferences. In certain cases, I may even have something to say about their second preferences, too. That's protected in my constitutional free speech rights, is it not? Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you meant, but if that's the case, I think we should probably clarify that clause.
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« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2013, 05:02:25 PM »

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2013, 04:10:51 PM »

Unfriendly. I'd prefer amending the clause to striking the clause, if its such a big deal to you guys.
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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2013, 04:11:24 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2013, 04:13:27 PM »

For what it's worth, I will happily sign this bill if the amendment is passed.
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« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2013, 05:51:39 PM »

I'll likely support the bill if Clause 5 is struck, but I'm not sure how workable it is - does Clause 1 simply legislate for the Executive Order mandating that the SoFE post a sample ballot or are we expecting each voter to receive a PM with one displayed?

I have no problem with the Attorney General having the power to refer voter fraud cases to the Supreme Court.
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« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2013, 05:56:57 PM »

I'll likely support the bill if Clause 5 is struck, but I'm not sure how workable it is - does Clause 1 simply legislate for the Executive Order mandating that the SoFE post a sample ballot or are we expecting each voter to receive a PM with one displayed?

I have no problem with the Attorney General having the power to refer voter fraud cases to the Supreme Court.

Technically, that clause does not require anything. The SoFE is currently required to post a sample ballot because he is beholden to the executive order I issued as President, but this doesn't legislate that (nor should it). What this does is guarantee access to a sample ballot- if someone requests one, it must be provided. If its posted, even better. If its PMed, fine.

I think people are trying to make this more than it is. I wanted to codify certain rights for voter's like many other states and countries do, since we haven't done this. The democratic process is extremely important to me. Smiley

What's everyone's problem with Clause 5?
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« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2013, 10:26:20 PM »

1, 2 and 4 are taken care of by my office as a matter of course. There's nothing wrong, of course, with putting this into law, barring some creative lawsuits, but I don't really see the need for much of it.
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« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2013, 10:41:26 PM »

1, 2 and 4 are taken care of by my office as a matter of course. There's nothing wrong, of course, with putting this into law, barring some creative lawsuits, but I don't really see the need for much of it.

Yeah, I'm not really set out to change anything with this. I simply think it would be good to codify the rights of voters as a matter of course. Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2013, 06:11:21 AM »

Perhaps if you said during the election on section five. Campaigning could be interpretted as interference, could it not?

Duke can open a vote on this amendment at any time by the way.
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« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2013, 12:15:52 PM »

Much of it seems redundant, and #5 sounds like an outright ban on campaigning. I cannot support this legislation.
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« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2013, 01:13:53 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2013, 01:17:19 PM »

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« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2013, 02:53:36 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2013, 03:27:00 PM »

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« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »

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« Reply #20 on: March 04, 2013, 03:52:33 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2013, 01:41:11 PM »

AYE

I would support adding it back in, if the text were much more sophiscated and specific as to what interferrence on the basis of candidate preference meant.
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2013, 03:43:57 PM »

AYE

I would support adding it back in, if the text were much more sophiscated and specific as to what interferrence on the basis of candidate preference meant.
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« Reply #23 on: March 06, 2013, 10:28:18 AM »

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Aye (7): Averroës Nix, Ben, Franzl, jdb, NC Yankee, Oakvale, and Snowstalker
Nay (1): Napoleon
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Didn't Vote (2): HagridoftheDeep and Spamage

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« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2013, 11:18:54 AM »

Are there anymore amendments here?
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