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« Reply #175 on: July 22, 2018, 10:40:39 PM »

Mantheo?  MANTHEO?  Good grief!  You've managed to dredge up something even less relevant than usual.

I'll grant that there certainly was a historian-priest who sometime between the third century BC and first century AD compiled the Aegyptiaca.  But it can clearly be shown that the lists he used just aren't in complete agreement with earlier lists carved into various temples and tombs, especially for older dynasties. So the idea that Egyptian pharonic lists were preserved intact and inerrant into the Ptolemaic period for "Mantheo" to compile just doesn't hold water. Between errors and deliberate edits for political purposes over the centuries, we should be thankful that Aegyptiaca bears any semblance to ancient reality.

Also, no one doubts that the Pentateuch was written down before whoever wrote Aegyptiaca and certainly there would have been Greek (and maybe Coptic) translations available and perhaps even the Septuagint itself depending upon when Aegyptiaca was written. For whatever his faults and virtues, "Mantheo" wrote in the manner of Heroditus, meaning that he accessed multiple sources from multiple cultures and tried to integrate them into one text of his own composition.  It certainly makes sense that he might try to integrate some details from Exodus into his work, but that doesn't provide any evidence that Exodus has any value as a accurate history, merely that there was a group of people who "Mantheo" knew of that treated Exodus as being more than a foundation myth.  So even if he wasn't trying to distort facts, given the sources he had, he can't serve as a means of verifying their validity.

I won't bother to repeat myself in refuting your other myopic distortions of the archaeological record to fit your preconceived notions.
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« Reply #176 on: November 19, 2018, 08:42:24 AM »

Interesting vid on Hitties:
    After Tutankhamun, Egyptian hegemony over Canaan not certain.  Hittites invade Egypt and take captives only to be ravaged by a mysterious disease brought from Egypt.  This might indicate that the plagues brought about in Moses's/Exodus time continued to a lesser extent in Egypt even decades later.  This is around time after Joshua's conquests, but Israel still trying to conquer Hittites in northern Canaan - early to mid 1300s BC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHYn4IDi19A
   
      Note: vid at 58 minute mark to 65 minute mark

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« Reply #177 on: November 19, 2018, 09:22:39 PM »
« Edited: November 20, 2018, 08:31:06 AM by True Federalist »

As the opening credits should have made clear, that film is piece of Turkish propaganda, which means it slants things heavily towards the HItties. (For instance, it neglects to mention that the Hittite sack of Babylon which it makes so much of occurred at a point in that city's history when it was a minor city-state in power, not one its times when it was the capital of an empire.)

As for plagues, they were a common problem back then. What made the Biblical plagues miraculous was not their occurrence, but they stopped and stated at very specific times and they were quite specific in their effects.
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« Reply #178 on: November 20, 2018, 07:10:06 AM »

Somethings can be taken as literal and somethings as Parables. The miracles can be interpreted as Parables. And people didn't live that long without the Gregorian calendar. But, certainly, Hebrews can live in wilderness
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« Reply #179 on: December 07, 2018, 08:39:11 AM »

Aside: There are claims some of Old Testament/Torah were written by Jews during Babylonian captivity.  I don't hold to that view.  In Old Testament book of Isaiah, it says God called someone called Cyrus to rule and conquer (Is 45: 1-5) and Cyrus would rebuild Jerusalem and release the Jewish exiles without payment (Is 45:13).   Babylon was captured and defeated and the Medes/Persians came to power.  The Persian ruler Cyrus did free the Jews to rebuild Jerusalem just as the Bible in Isaiah said.

Even if this part of Isaiah was written in Babylon by Jewish captive scholars (I don't believe that), it happened years BEFORE Cyrus the Great ruled the Persian Empire.  Way before anyone knew Cyrus, and probably before he was even born.  This shows again the supernaturalness of God and the Bible.

Of course I believe Isaiah was written in Jerusalem before the Babylonians sacked and destroyed it and forced the Jews into exile in Babylon.
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« Reply #180 on: December 09, 2018, 03:15:49 PM »

Aside: pure rampant unsubstantiated speculation::
   A meteor/asteroid/comet impacted Greenland perhaps 100,000 years ago (or less).  This could have caused Noah's Flood event.  Wiping out humanity who still lived together in the same location.  It also could have triggered the oceans of fresh water stored under immense pressure in the mantel (Bible says water gushed out from the earth). And a huge almost immediate melt down of Greenland/Polar ice sheets raising ocean levels; and probably caused volcanic activity from Iceland to change the atmosphere dramatically.  This could have resulted in rainfail for weeks and other horrific atmospheric changes.

  Pure rampant speculation.
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« Reply #181 on: December 18, 2018, 11:05:37 AM »

Nov 2018: New dna study concludes there was an Adam and Eve and a cataclysmic event::
    Quote from CBN site:
""Scientists in the US and Switzerland have announced an amazing revelation – all modern humans are descended from a common father and mother who appeared on the scene 100,000 to 200,000 years ago after a cataclysmic event almost wiped out the human race.
    Sounds a lot like Genesis of the Bible doesn't it?""

What is the possibility of chance/nature creating a mature Adam and a mature Eve exactly at the same time, same location, and able to be nurtured (usually animals kill or abandon mutants or weaklings)?  The chance of this happening at the same time and at the same location and both nurtured is staggering (like almost impossible in my opinion).
   Of course not for God the creator who made both from the dirt of the earth and nurtured them and protected them in the Garden of Eden.  Humans compared to tigers, lions, bears, even chimps are pretty weak and need protection especially when young.

   Of course there had to an Adam and Eve to start/propagate the human race. 

 Aside: When Cain kills Able and God sends him away to wander, he is afraid that other "humans" will harm him -- these other "humans" had to the Neanderthals.
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« Reply #182 on: December 19, 2018, 03:00:53 AM »

Nov 2018: New dna study concludes there was an Adam and Eve and a cataclysmic event::
    Quote from CBN site:
""Scientists in the US and Switzerland have announced an amazing revelation – all modern humans are descended from a common father and mother who appeared on the scene 100,000 to 200,000 years ago after a cataclysmic event almost wiped out the human race.
    Sounds a lot like Genesis of the Bible doesn't it?""

Actually, it sounds nothing like Genesis. Moreover, the article's author has no real understanding of how statistics or genetics works. Over the timespan given, a trait, be it genetic, behavioral, or otherwise, would need to give those who inherit it from their ancestor less than a 1% improvement in the odds of their progeny surviving to be have the originator of that trait become the common ancestor of the whole human species. It really doesn't take much on those time scales.
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« Reply #183 on: December 27, 2018, 07:30:25 PM »

Posts that cover the exact same stuff as your previous post without anything new in either what you quote from elsewhere or what you have to say about the topic counts as SPAM and will be deleted.  If it happens a third time, I may lock the thread.
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« Reply #184 on: July 03, 2019, 01:28:41 PM »

New genetic study of Philistines indicate that Philistines during Abraham were from local Levant peoples/origins, but during early Iron Age "sea peoples" from European locations intermingled with residence of Ashkelon.

https://phys.org/news/2019-07-ancient-dna-biblical-philistines.html

This new study represents the culmination of more than 30 years of archaeological work and of genetic research using state-of-the-art technologies, concluding that the advent of the Philistines in the southern Levant involved a movement of people from the west during the Bronze to Iron Age transition.

Excavation of the Philistine Cemetery at Ashkelon Credit: Melissa Aja. Leon Levy Expedition to Ashkelon
Genetic discontinuity between the Bronze and Iron Age people of Ashkelon

The researchers successfully recovered genomic data from the remains of 10 individuals who lived in Ashkelon during the Bronze and Iron Age. This data allowed the team to compare the DNA of the Bronze and Iron Age people of Ashkelon to determine how they were related. The researchers found that individuals across all time periods derived most of their ancestry from the local Levantine gene pool, but that individuals who lived in early Iron Age Ashkelon had a European derived ancestral component that was not present in their Bronze Age predecessors.
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« Reply #185 on: July 03, 2019, 10:44:00 PM »

Nothing particularly new is being revealed here, but it serves as confirmation that the Philistines arrived in the area during the XXth Dynasty which is totally incompatible with any theory that tries to place Exodus as a historical event occurring during the XVIIIth Dynasty as you have often championed in the past.
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« Reply #186 on: July 04, 2019, 07:45:26 AM »

My point is that the Bible is accurate about the Philistines and Abraham. Genesis 21:34 "And Abraham stayed in the land of the Philistines for a long time."  Genetics (DNA) show that the Philistines of Ashkelon existed and lived during the time of Abraham (Bronze Age).
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« Reply #187 on: October 23, 2019, 06:32:09 PM »

Photosynthesis is so COMPLEX that we are still trying to figure out how it exactly works:

    https://phys.org/news/2019-10-blocks-life-gain.html

Existed on earth 4 billion years ago -- perhaps it was the first life forms on earth.
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