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« on: March 18, 2013, 12:22:05 AM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?
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« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 12:45:09 AM »

Yeah, Romney won more votes.
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« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 01:53:03 AM »


Yes, because Romney won the countryside.
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« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 01:54:45 AM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

Nor surprising. More and more, in most elections around the world left=city, right=countryside (through, there is exceptions like Scandinavia).
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« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 02:20:39 AM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

What kind of question is that?
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2013, 10:18:06 AM »

The Electoral College is a screwy way to run things. No doubt about that. You can't get any more out of place than my heavily Democratic and black home town in Tennessee.
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2013, 10:23:05 AM »

I think this has become an issue of taxation without representation.

The larger cities are paying most of the taxes, but the outlying areas are getting most of the benefits. At the same time, the outlying areas are effectively controlling all of a state's electoral votes.

I'm sure you can find the same scam in other states. I bet Obama carried each of Indiana's 7 largest cities, even though Romney got all the electoral votes.
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2013, 10:29:35 AM »

I think this has become an issue of taxation without representation.

The larger cities are paying most of the taxes, but the outlying areas are getting most of the benefits. At the same time, the outlying areas are effectively controlling all of a state's electoral votes.

I'm sure you can find the same scam in other states. I bet Obama carried each of Indiana's 7 largest cities, even though Romney got all the electoral votes.

Conversely, though, big cities are what enables Democrats to win in states like PA, MI, and OH. It's a double-edged sword that can only be broken with national popular vote.
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« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2013, 11:03:04 AM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

This line of argument is just as stupid as the treasonous, anti-American idea, so often floated by Republicans, that people in the rural areas of blue states should have more votes than people in cities, because blah blah blah "Real America".
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2013, 05:14:03 PM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

I Oregon, Romney won 26 of 36 counties.

yet Obama got all 7 electoral votes.

Is that fair?
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2013, 05:17:14 PM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

I Oregon, Romney won 26 of 36 counties.

yet Obama got all 7 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

The ones Romney won generally don't have many people.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2013, 05:22:23 PM »

I think this has become an issue of taxation without representation.

The larger cities are paying most of the taxes, but the outlying areas are getting most of the benefits. At the same time, the outlying areas are effectively controlling all of a state's electoral votes.

I'm sure you can find the same scam in other states. I bet Obama carried each of Indiana's 7 largest cities, even though Romney got all the electoral votes.

This argument has as much merit as saying that white people pay most of the taxes so their votes shouldn't get drowned out by minorities. Actually probably more, since this is actually true whereas yours might not be, suburbs pay plenty of taxes.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2013, 05:23:36 PM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

I Oregon, Romney won 26 of 36 counties.

yet Obama got all 7 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

The ones Romney won generally don't have many people.

The cities Obama won have less people than the rest of the state.
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2013, 09:53:50 PM »

Is this an attempt to flip around that sick "but democracy isn't really fair because big citiezzz!!!!" conservative talking point?

Democracy is democracy, period.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2013, 09:55:35 PM »

Is this an attempt to flip around that sick "but democracy isn't really fair because big citiezzz!!!!" conservative talking point?

Yes. They've asked for it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2013, 09:58:43 PM »

Is this an attempt to flip around that sick "but democracy isn't really fair because big citiezzz!!!!" conservative talking point?

Yes. They've asked for it.

Well that's not how it works. Being a liberal doesn't mean being the mirror image of a conservative.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2013, 05:45:22 AM »

Nor surprising. More and more, in most elections around the world left=city, right=countryside (through, there is exceptions like Scandinavia).

There plenty of examples. Saying  left=city, right=countryside is really an oversimplyfication. In most Western countries, the wealthier areas vote for the right, while the poor areas vote for the left. It just happens that in many cases the countryside happens to be more well off, but that is far from always the truth.

You don't have to look further than Ontario. Which is more rural, north or south Ontario? Which is more right-wing? Andalucia vs Madrid? Munich vs rural Brandenburg? Not too metion countries in Africa and Asia.

It really only in the US where you see really poor rural areas voting right, and really rich urban/suburban areas voting left. (And even in the US it's not entierly correct.)
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2013, 05:50:46 AM »

As to the original question, obviously it isn't fair, but in the same way as Obama winning all of California's electoral votes wasn't fair.

And considering Obama won a much greater EC victory than popular vote victory the system if anything was more unfair to Romney.
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 03:15:14 PM »

Nor surprising. More and more, in most elections around the world left=city, right=countryside (through, there is exceptions like Scandinavia).


You don't have to look further than Ontario. Which is more rural, north or south Ontario?

Terrible example. Northern Ontario is more remote than "rural". Rural southern Ontario is very Conservative, while urban Southern Ontario is quite left wing.  Northern Ontario is a whole different story, as it's quite a complex area, where you have Francophones, Italians, Natives, mining towns, actual legitimate rural (read Farming areas), WASPy area, etc that make for strange patterns. But, it's only like 7% of the province's population.
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2013, 09:07:06 PM »

No, because the electoral college is not fair no matter how it's stacked.
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« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2013, 09:09:38 PM »

Are you sure Obama won Bowling Green?
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« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2013, 09:10:44 PM »

Are you sure Obama won Bowling Green?

I'm pretty sure he won the city.
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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2013, 02:21:58 PM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

Loaded question.
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« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2013, 03:10:30 PM »

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

Loaded question.

It's not a loaded question, just stupidity.
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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2013, 04:21:46 PM »

I think this has become an issue of taxation without representation.

The larger cities are paying most of the taxes, but the outlying areas are getting most of the benefits. At the same time, the outlying areas are effectively controlling all of a state's electoral votes.

I'm sure you can find the same scam in other states. I bet Obama carried each of Indiana's 7 largest cities, even though Romney got all the electoral votes.

This post is not bad. In fact it's utterly missing any element of logical thought. You shouldn't feel bad. You ought to feel as horrible as a man slowly burning to death. And may God have mercy on your soul, because it's way too late for your brain, or rather that empty space located somewhere between your ears.
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