In 2012 Obama won 10 of Kentucky's 11 largest cities

[tmthforu94]

Bill Brady won 98 out of 102 counties in Illinois and still lost. Is that also unfair?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Bill Brady won 98 out of 102 counties in Illinois and still lost. Is that also unfair?

The GOP reaps what it sows.

[Niemeyerite]

Does Kentucky have cities?!

[bullmoose88]

But Obama surely won all one vote in New America right?  Isn't that what counts?

[Bandit3 the Worker]

But Obama surely won all one vote in New America right?  Isn't that what counts?

Don't be so sure, since Jill Stein was on the ballot.

[tmthforu94]

Bill Brady won 98 out of 102 counties in Illinois and still lost. Is that also unfair?

The GOP reaps what it sows.

That's not really answering the question, as I could throw the exact same response back at you for Democrats.

[MaxQue]

Nor surprising. More and more, in most elections around the world left=city, right=countryside (through, there is exceptions like Scandinavia).

There plenty of examples. Saying  left=city, right=countryside is really an oversimplyfication.

I'm quite aware. In my home area (Val-d'Or), the city is more right-wing than the rural areas around it.

[ElectionsGuy]

The rural countryside is more powerful than the 11 biggest cities in Kentucky, especially the extremely republican south central part, so yes. It's just a part of being in a state where you're the opposite party of the state. I have to deal with the fact that Milwaukee and Madison control Wisconsin's vote most of the time.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Baltimore bosses this entire state around.

Well, maybe it needs to.

Boone and Jackson counties boss the entire state of Kentucky around, so fair is fair.

[memphis]

Baltimore bosses this entire state around. Do I often disagree with the result of that? Yes. Do I wish it wasn't like that? Yes. But is it stupid to claim that anyone's vote should count more than anyone else's because of where they live? Double yes.

Baltimore City and County combined are only about a quarter of Maryland's population, but it's still more plausible than claiming that Boone and Jackson boss around KY when they make up a tiny percentage of population and aren't especially wealthy.

[stepney]

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

What kind of question is that?

God, douse this thread in fifty shades of petrol and burn it into the ground. I know this forum has a place for left-wing hackery, but I didn't know it could get this bad.

NB If I thought the OP was having a joke I wouldn't say this. But it seems plain it's no joke

[Bandit3 the Worker]

NB If I thought the OP was having a joke I wouldn't say this. But it seems plain it's no joke

The cities being denied fair representation is no joke. This is an issue of taxation without representation.

[Flake]

[ElectionsGuy]

NB If I thought the OP was having a joke I wouldn't say this. But it seems plain it's no joke

The cities being denied fair representation is no joke. This is an issue of taxation without representation.

Dude, I didn't realize you were this stupid. Cities don't get represented in elections, people do. People represent themselves by voting. A vote in rural Appalachia counts just as much as a vote in a big city.

[GaussLaw]

Also, Obama lost most of those counties in which those cities reside.

Metros are far more important to elections than just the city proper.

For instance, the Houston metro is very Republican, while Houston proper is not.

[Dr. Liberty]

Yeah, Romney won more votes. Duh!

[Bacon King]

NB If I thought the OP was having a joke I wouldn't say this. But it seems plain it's no joke

The cities being denied fair representation is no joke. This is an issue of taxation without representation.

Dude, I didn't realize you were this stupid. Cities don't get represented in elections, people do. People represent themselves by voting. A vote in rural Appalachia counts just as much as a vote in a big city.

Devil's advocate here but this is a Presidential election. People don't get represented (directly) in Presidential elections, the states do. In that respect a vote from like West Virginia is actually worth double a vote from New York (but half a vote from Wyoming).

When you think about it but would some sort of system of electoral votes based on municipal boundaries hypothetically be more fair than one based on entire states because it'd have the same flaws but people's votes would be more likely to matter, and count for their candidate of choice

[IceSpear]

LOL, never change Bandit.

[ElectionsGuy]

NB If I thought the OP was having a joke I wouldn't say this. But it seems plain it's no joke

The cities being denied fair representation is no joke. This is an issue of taxation without representation.

Dude, I didn't realize you were this stupid. Cities don't get represented in elections, people do. People represent themselves by voting. A vote in rural Appalachia counts just as much as a vote in a big city.

Devil's advocate here but this is a Presidential election. People don't get represented (directly) in Presidential elections, the states do. In that respect a vote from like West Virginia is actually worth double a vote from New York (but half a vote from Wyoming).

When you think about it but would some sort of system of electoral votes based on municipal boundaries hypothetically be more fair than one based on entire states because it'd have the same flaws but people's votes would be more likely to matter, and count for their candidate of choice

Oh yeah, the little thing called the electoral college that distorts the representation of popular vote. I forgot about that, but in any case the winner of the popular vote of a state wins the electoral college votes of that state. So votes do matter, just more so in some states than others.

[Badger]

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

What kind of question is that?

God, douse this thread in fifty shades of petrol and burn it into the ground. I know this forum has a place for left-wing hackery, but I didn't know it could get this bad.

NB If I thought the OP was having a joke I wouldn't say this. But it seems plain it's no joke

I urge you not to judge most Forum leftists based on Bandit. His case is......."special".

[Republican Michigander]

In Kentucky, Obama won 10 of the state's 11 biggest cities. In fact, he won each of the 7 largest cities.

Yet Romney gets all 8 electoral votes.

Is that fair?

Romney won 63 out of 83 counties in Michigan, but Obama gets all 16 votes. Is that fair?

BTW - Obama won Covington? I know he didn't take Florence, but most of Northern Kentucky is as GOP as the Ohio Cincy suburbs.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

BTW - Obama won Covington?

Yes and it wasn't even close.

[Chunk Yogurt for President!]

As a Kentuckian who has spent quite some time in Louisville as well as the rural areas in Northern Kentucky, I don't understand Bandit's claims that Kentucky would be an Atlas Red state if it wasn't for "voter fraud" or whatever.  Outside of Louisville liberals are a small minority, albeit a very vocal one.  And even in Louisville you'll find a sizable number of conservatives.  Most people outside of Jefferson County (Louisville) are conservatives or moderates.  In Oldham County, which borders Jefferson County, two thirds of voters voted for Romney.  Obama didn't even win 55% of the vote in Jefferson County, which was his best county in the state (the other 3 counties he won he won with less than 50% of the vote).   In a Republican landslide, I would not be surprised to see every county in the state go Atlas Blue.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

As a Kentuckian who has spent quite some time in Louisville as well as the rural areas in Northern Kentucky, I don't understand Bandit's claims that Kentucky would be an Atlas Red state if it wasn't for "voter fraud" or whatever.  Outside of Louisville liberals are a small minority, albeit a very vocal one.  And even in Louisville you'll find a sizable number of conservatives.  Most people outside of Jefferson County (Louisville) are conservatives or moderates.  In Oldham County, which borders Jefferson County, two thirds of voters voted for Romney.  Obama didn't even win 55% of the vote in Jefferson County, which was his best county in the state (the other 3 counties he won he won with less than 50% of the vote).   In a Republican landslide, I would not be surprised to see every county in the state go Atlas Blue.

Oldham County doesn't have nearly as many people as Jefferson County.

[muon2]

As a Kentuckian who has spent quite some time in Louisville as well as the rural areas in Northern Kentucky, I don't understand Bandit's claims that Kentucky would be an Atlas Red state if it wasn't for "voter fraud" or whatever.  Outside of Louisville liberals are a small minority, albeit a very vocal one.  And even in Louisville you'll find a sizable number of conservatives.  Most people outside of Jefferson County (Louisville) are conservatives or moderates.  In Oldham County, which borders Jefferson County, two thirds of voters voted for Romney.  Obama didn't even win 55% of the vote in Jefferson County, which was his best county in the state (the other 3 counties he won he won with less than 50% of the vote).   In a Republican landslide, I would not be surprised to see every county in the state go Atlas Blue.

Oldham County doesn't have nearly as many people as Jefferson County.

But with about 1/6 of the population, if Jefferson goes 55-45 for the Dem in the two-party vote, the rest of the state only has to break 51-49 for the Pub to win the state.