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Tender Branson
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« on: March 20, 2013, 04:07:11 AM »

Options 1 or 2 for me, since it sounds kinda French.
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« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 04:13:57 AM »

Sometimes I pronounce it even as "chill-uhd", without the "R".

Almost similar to "chillout" ... Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2013, 04:19:12 AM »

Gill-ahrd
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 05:19:11 AM »

Option 4.
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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2013, 06:26:42 AM »
« Edited: March 22, 2013, 06:31:47 PM by Mr. Morden »

In Gillard's address to the US Congress, Boehner mangles the pronunciation of her name, mostly the "Julia" by putting undue emphasis on the second syllable, saying "Joo-LEE-ah" at about 2:30 in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K8CYsKr9XA

Which is kind of ironic, since I've twice heard one of the news readers on an Australian radio station mangle the pronunciation of "Boehner", referring to him as John Boner.
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« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 06:40:44 AM »

Eh, he mangles it himself so he's fair game.
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2013, 09:12:07 AM »

freedom fighter.
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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2013, 09:53:55 AM »

I would think with a proper Aussie accent, you wouldn't pronounce the R either. So it would be "GILL-awd"
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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2013, 11:09:49 AM »
« Edited: March 22, 2013, 11:17:24 AM by Χahar »

I speak American English, so I pronounce it [ˈd͡ʒʷuli.ə ˈgɪlɚd̥]. The final consonant is only partially voiced.
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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2013, 11:50:50 AM »


What the hello is that?  Arabic?
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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2013, 11:54:03 AM »


I don't think I ever have.

I guess if I had to, I'd pronounce it the way it's spelled.  Julia as in Julia Child, and Gillard with the first syllable as in the aftershave Gillette and the last syllable the same as the last syllable as in a crusty sourdough batard.  

But I've never seen her talking on TV so I suppose I have no idea how it should be pronounced.  For that matter, outside this forum I can't imagine ever discussing her, and since it's a text only forum, not an auditory one, I can't really see why or how it matters.
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2013, 12:02:54 PM »

Gill-ard - Option 4.
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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2013, 12:07:26 PM »


International Phonetic Alphabet.  Arabic looks nothing like that...
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2013, 12:13:24 PM »


International Phonetic Alphabet.  Arabic looks nothing like that...

Pushtoon then.
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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2013, 12:14:27 PM »


I have no idea how the "oe/ö" sound came to be pronounced as a long a sound in (American?) English. It's very weird. And I have no idea what kind of weirdo pronounces "Julia" like that.
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2013, 12:19:15 PM »


Still no.  Pashto is pretty close to the Arabic alphabet, with a few changes.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2013, 12:19:47 PM »


I have no idea how the "oe/ö" sound came to be pronounced as a long a sound in (American?) English. It's very weird. And I have no idea what kind of weirdo pronounces "Julia" like that.

It's not just "Boener"' either. Maybe a German speaker can help me out here... My mother's maiden name is "Frobel" (from Froebel/Fröbel) and I've been told it's pronounced in German similar to FREW-buhl. However, her family pronounces it FRO-buhl. Anyways, never would I pronounced it FRAY-buhl.  However, names like Boener and Toews use the "AY" sound. What's up with that? Are they spelled that way in German, or do they use the umlaut.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2013, 01:13:43 PM »

I speak American English, so I pronounce it [ˈd͡ʒʷuli.ə ˈgɪlɚd̥]. The final consonant is only partially voiced.

Really?  I've always pronounced it in my head as /d͡ʒuliə gɪˈlɑɻd/.  I guess I haven't been watching enough TV to hear how her last name is pronounced Undecided
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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2013, 01:43:59 PM »


I have no idea how the "oe/ö" sound came to be pronounced as a long a sound in (American?) English. It's very weird. And I have no idea what kind of weirdo pronounces "Julia" like that.

It's not just "Boener"' either. Maybe a German speaker can help me out here... My mother's maiden name is "Frobel" (from Froebel/Fröbel) and I've been told it's pronounced in German similar to FREW-buhl. However, her family pronounces it FRO-buhl. Anyways, never would I pronounced it FRAY-buhl.  However, names like Boener and Toews use the "AY" sound. What's up with that? Are they spelled that way in German, or do they use the umlaut.

Fröbel would be pronounced here like "Frö-bl" or "Frö-wö" (Salzburg/Bavarian dialect).

John Böhner (the original name of what is now "Boehner") would be pronounced as "Böh-ner" or "Böh-na".

Of course you would have to learn how to pronounce the "ö" first:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09goWsYJ4EY
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2013, 01:50:41 PM »

I speak American English, so I pronounce it [ˈd͡ʒʷuli.ə ˈgɪlɚd̥]. The final consonant is only partially voiced.

Really?  I've always pronounced it in my head as /d͡ʒuliə gɪˈlɑɻd/.  I guess I haven't been watching enough TV to hear how her last name is pronounced Undecided

The stress is certainly on the penultimate syllable. /ɻd/ strikes me as an odd combination. Would that be [ɻɖ]?
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2013, 01:51:46 PM »


I have no idea how the "oe/ö" sound came to be pronounced as a long a sound in (American?) English. It's very weird. And I have no idea what kind of weirdo pronounces "Julia" like that.

It's not just "Boener"' either. Maybe a German speaker can help me out here... My mother's maiden name is "Frobel" (from Froebel/Fröbel) and I've been told it's pronounced in German similar to FREW-buhl. However, her family pronounces it FRO-buhl. Anyways, never would I pronounced it FRAY-buhl.  However, names like Boener and Toews use the "AY" sound. What's up with that? Are they spelled that way in German, or do they use the umlaut.

laziness and ignorance.  Even prior to importing German proper nouns into English, the transition from bo to bö in Old High German stemmed from laziness.  Maybe some linguist (ilikeverin?) can put a better spin on it, but I think languages evolve through laziness and ignorance.  The official line is that the sound is moved to the front of the mouth to accommodate another syllable.  Lohr becomes Löhrer, for example.  The prefix Um- means something like the English prefix para- and the laut is loud, so umlaut is basically "sound nearby" or "sound around."  But I really think that in Old German the process of the umlaut is the product of laziness, just like elision in French and Arabic probably evolved via laziness of the speakers.  (Umlaut can also refer to the actual diaresis, the diacritical mark above an a, o, or u, but I'm talking about the act of the umlaut.)  Ilikeverin can probably clarify this if he wants to.  I think he's our resident language geek.

I call him boner.  He calls himself behner.  Neither are proper German pronunciations--as Tenderbranson points out, hochdeutsch is non-rhotic and the sounded-nearby Ö is something the English just don't have.  If it helps, my second-grade German teacher said to make your mouth in the shape of an O ("long-O" in English) and your tongue in the shape of what English-speakers call the "schwa."  I find that to be a pretty reasonable facsimile.  In any event I still prefer to call him Boner, but I suppose if I met him in person I'd probably pronounce it the way he likes to.  

I don't call Julia anything.  Can't imagine why I would ever need to call her anything.  I do know that if I were called upon to formally introduce a person to an audience I'd damned sure learn how he or she likes his or her name pronounced.  Then again, there are many things that I'd do differently than Boner does.

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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2013, 02:12:29 PM »


International Phonetic Alphabet.  Arabic looks nothing like that...

He knows.  Opebo claimed at one point to have a Masters in English.
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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2013, 02:17:12 PM »

What does having a Masters in English have to do with learning those little squiggles?
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« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2013, 02:25:42 PM »


I have no idea how the "oe/ö" sound came to be pronounced as a long a sound in (American?) English. It's very weird. And I have no idea what kind of weirdo pronounces "Julia" like that.

It's not just "Boener"' either. Maybe a German speaker can help me out here... My mother's maiden name is "Frobel" (from Froebel/Fröbel) and I've been told it's pronounced in German similar to FREW-buhl. However, her family pronounces it FRO-buhl. Anyways, never would I pronounced it FRAY-buhl.  However, names like Boener and Toews use the "AY" sound. What's up with that? Are they spelled that way in German, or do they use the umlaut.
Spellings of personal names with oe instead of ö exist in Germany - ö being originally a ligature of o and e.

If you unround the ø (this the IPA sign for the sound you want), you do get the first half of what you describe as ay (rendered e in IPA... it's certainly not in any way related to anything describable as an "a".) So what he's doing makes sense - it's what you get when you pass down the correct pronounciation to descendants who can't speak German. It's mangled as opposed to simply mispronounced, which is what your mother's people seem to be doing - comparable to the pronounciations of the many French-derived American river names.
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2013, 02:29:17 PM »

With a burr. There would also be a risk of a weirdly harsh 'a' sound, though that wouldn't be certain.
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