EP elections 2014
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 28, 2024, 12:37:18 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Other Elections - Analysis and Discussion
  International Elections (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  EP elections 2014
« previous next »
Pages: 1 ... 32 33 34 35 36 [37] 38 39 40 41 42 ... 51
Author Topic: EP elections 2014  (Read 204724 times)
MaxQue
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 12,626
Canada


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #900 on: April 28, 2014, 04:52:09 PM »

The biggest source of Euroscepticism is the German Empress, Angela Merkel, which is forcing her might to all Europe. To fix Europe, real statemen and women willing to stand up against Merkel and to not fold against her.
Logged
Bacon King
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,833
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.63, S: -9.49

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #901 on: April 28, 2014, 05:49:53 PM »

What exactly is "eurorealist" supposed to mean
Logged
Enno von Loewenstern
Rookie
**
Posts: 156
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #902 on: April 28, 2014, 05:51:24 PM »
« Edited: April 28, 2014, 05:59:26 PM by Enno von Loewenstern »

The biggest source of Euroscepticism is the German Empress, Angela Merkel, which is forcing her might to all Europe. To fix Europe, real statemen and women willing to stand up against Merkel and to not fold against her.

The problem for the Olive countries is not Merkel (she is a problem for german taxpayers and savers), but the EUR which just fits not for 18 divergent national economies. The incapable countries have the choice: Either they want furthermore German money, then they must fulfil requirements, or they leave the EUR, then they can do what they want. I recommend the latter.

To put it short: Don't take german money and no so called Empress will tell you what to do with it.
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,722
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #903 on: April 28, 2014, 05:52:34 PM »

I feel like the aftermath of such a terrible Tory result would cause an earthquake in the party. Their worst national showing in their history.

I'm sure that's what everyone in the media would call it, but calling a European election a 'national election' is taking a technicality for a very long walk in a very big park.

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Key term here being 'that wasn't'. And which never had any chance of actually succeeding. Though, saying all that, I don't doubt that there would be internal 'trouble' in the Tory Party if they are pushed into a poor third.
Logged
Enno von Loewenstern
Rookie
**
Posts: 156
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #904 on: April 28, 2014, 05:54:13 PM »

What exactly is "eurorealist" supposed to mean

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurorealism

Logged
justfollowingtheelections
unempprof
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,766


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #905 on: April 29, 2014, 03:40:41 AM »
« Edited: April 29, 2014, 03:43:12 AM by blagohair.com »

I just watched the debate, and I have quite a few things to say.

On one hand it is kind of funny seeing these candidates and the interviewers take the debate so seriously, when no one in Europe cares about the EU elections, and no one actually votes for these candidates.  But nonetheless, I felt that the debate was far more interesting than the U.S. presidential election debates.

I thought it was obvious that Schulz and Verhofstadt (and to a lesser extent Keller) benefited from being MEPs and being used to debating european issues.  Juncker on the other hand has never been in the EU parliament.  His claim to fame is being the PM of a tax haven (to quote Keller) with less than a million people for about 20 years or so.  That's hardly good enough to compete with master debaters such as the other two who have been going head-to-head every day with the likes of Nigel Farage.
Tsipras would surely have the same problem (from what I read Tsipras was informed too late of the event and had a prior commitment in Portugal that could not be canceled) which I think we will see in the other debates.

I was rather surprised at how anti-American all 4 candidates sounded.  I expected them to be anti-Russian but not anti-American.  Verhofstadt is right of course when he says that Europe is lagging when it comes to technology (since the internet is pretty much run by American companies) but IMO that's mostly because English is the international language.

By the way I didn't have a problem with Juncker's English.  He appeared to understand everything he was asked, and I understood everything he said.  I thought it was interesting though that there were times when everyone seemed to be attacking him.  Verhofstadt was right to point out that the EPP is flirting with the far-right with members such as Fidesz (I won't even comment on Berlusconi because it's totally ridiculous that he's campaigning as an anti-Merkel candidate while a member of the same coalition).  I also thought it was interesting that he appeared to be the only one against immigration (and to be honest, while I don't believe in borders or nationalities and I think all countries should have open borders, his position seemed to be the most reasonable given the fact that anti-immigration sentiments are really strong in Europe).

IMO the winner was Schulz.  Verhofstadt was clearly the most intelligent man in the room, but talking out of turn all the time was disrespectful IMO.  Keller I thought was good.  I was actually surprised by how left wing Schulz appeared to be.  But again, none of this really matters.  No one in Poland, or Slovakia or Ireland or any other country will vote based on what they saw here.  EU elections are still however fascinating and by far the most interesting elections in the world.  I kind of wish they would take place more often.
Logged
Zinneke
JosepBroz
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,109
Belgium


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #906 on: April 29, 2014, 03:53:57 AM »
« Edited: April 29, 2014, 03:57:35 AM by JosepBroz »

Tsipras doesn't speak that good English anyway. He has more to gain from not going to these debates. If he presents himself as the anti-establishment candidate who refuses to go to these processions of 4 centrist parties arguing over which coloured neo-liberalist Eurofederalism they want. That's his rhetoric anyway.
Logged
Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,156
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #907 on: April 29, 2014, 04:05:32 AM »

You can re-watch the full debate here, btw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhafgcPeXes
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,175
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #908 on: April 29, 2014, 06:40:08 AM »


Thanks! Smiley I'm ashamed I missed it yesterday...
Logged
Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,156
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #909 on: April 29, 2014, 07:23:09 AM »

Some infos on Austrian absentee ballots:

* Absentee ballots will start to be sent out this week, because the ballot was finalized last week and went into print.

* The BMI (Interior Ministry) is sending out info brochures about the election to every household (I got mine on Friday) that tells you the most important things about the election and also includes an absentee ballot request. (I already requested my absentee ballot online a few weeks ago).

* Absentee ballots can be requested until May 23, the Friday before election day.

* In the last EP election in 2009, total requests were 309.000 - so, anything between 310.000 and 400.000 requests this year would probably point to higher overall turnout (2009: 46%), but not necessarily: More people could vote absentee (an increasing trend), but overall turnout is still down. This already happened in the federal elections last year, when absentee ballots saw a big increase, but overall turnout went from 79% in 2008 to 75%.

* Absentee ballots need to be sent to the district election commission and arrive no later than 5pm on election day. They will be counted on the Monday, May 26.
Logged
Tender Branson
Mark Warner 08
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,156
Austria


Political Matrix
E: -6.06, S: -4.84

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #910 on: April 29, 2014, 07:59:35 AM »

www.votematch.eu

... offers party test pages for various countries.

Check it out !

Wink
Logged
Cassius
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,600


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #911 on: April 29, 2014, 10:58:18 AM »

These were my results for the vote match...

UK: UKIP (duh)
France: DLR/FN (no MPF Sad)
The Netherlands: PVV/Christian Unie
Germany: The Republicans
Austria: REKOS
Italy: FDI-AN
Spain: Citizens (wuh?)
Czech Republic: Reasonable/Party of Free Citizens
Slovakia: Freedom and Solidarity
Poland: Law and Justice/National Movement
Lativia: KDS
Bulgaria: GERB/RB
Greece: Independent Greeks/Popular Orthodox Rally

These results are kind of all over the place...
Logged
palandio
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,026


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #912 on: April 29, 2014, 12:42:23 PM »

Eurorealism is basically a slogan/self-description used by conservative (soft) eurosceptics.
Logged
justfollowingtheelections
unempprof
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,766


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #913 on: April 29, 2014, 01:16:51 PM »

Tsipras doesn't speak that good English anyway. He has more to gain from not going to these debates. If he presents himself as the anti-establishment candidate who refuses to go to these processions of 4 centrist parties arguing over which coloured neo-liberalist Eurofederalism they want. That's his rhetoric anyway.

Well apparently he will participate in the other debates, but I agree that it probably won't do him much good since he doesn't have much experience on European issues.  I kind of feel the Eur. Left should have gone with 2 candidates like the Greens did.
Logged
YL
YorkshireLiberal
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,559
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #914 on: April 29, 2014, 01:33:30 PM »

VoteMatch results:

UK: Greens
France: Parti Européen/FdG
Spain: UPyD/X Party
Netherlands: D66/PvdA/GL/PvdD/SP
Germany: various far-left nutters
Austria: SPÖ/Greens/BZÖ/NEOS
Italy: Italia dei Valori/Tsipras
Czech Rep: ČSSD
Slovakia: European Democratic Party
Poland: Europa Plus
Latvia: Latvian Russian Union
Bulgaria: Coalition for Bulgaria
Greece: Olive Tree

A mix of quite plausible and utterly bizarre results.
Logged
justfollowingtheelections
unempprof
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,766


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #915 on: April 29, 2014, 05:02:08 PM »

There was another debate today:  http://euranetplus-inside.eu/big-crunch-presidential-debate-on-april-29/
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,722
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #916 on: April 29, 2014, 06:00:45 PM »

Misleading use of the word 'big'.
Logged
International Brotherhood of Bernard
interstate73
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 651


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #917 on: April 29, 2014, 06:36:18 PM »

So who's favored at this point, EPP or S&D? I would imagine S&D would be better positioned, seeing as they lost last time around and Europe hasn't been too fond of incumbent governments lately.
Logged
justfollowingtheelections
unempprof
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 3,766


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #918 on: April 30, 2014, 12:09:13 AM »

So who's favored at this point, EPP or S&D? I would imagine S&D would be better positioned, seeing as they lost last time around and Europe hasn't been too fond of incumbent governments lately.

This isn't really the most scientific method to measure the number of seats each party will get, but by looking at the polls in each country, I got the following numbers:

EPP 203
S&D 188
ALDE 60
EUL-NGL 56
Greens-EFA 39
ECR 38
EFD 31

Also
EAF 27

I would be really surprised if Juncker isn't the next president of the EU Commission.
Logged
Gustaf
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 29,779


Political Matrix
E: 0.39, S: -0.70

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #919 on: April 30, 2014, 02:35:02 AM »

The S&D v EPP battle isn't really a thing anyway. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter.
Logged
Zinneke
JosepBroz
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,109
Belgium


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #920 on: April 30, 2014, 02:57:07 AM »

The S&D v EPP battle isn't really a thing anyway. As far as I'm concerned it doesn't matter.

Agreed, they are in coalition together now, with ALDE, and they will be in coalition together for a considerable amount of time until either the EU falls or their eurofederalist project catches on with the people of Europe. Schulz banging on about back door deals is the most hypocritical thing I've heard in quite some time. That being said, perhaps the member-states will see that Schulz can get things done in the Commission and elect Juncker as President of the Council.
Logged
You kip if you want to...
change08
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,940
United Kingdom
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #921 on: April 30, 2014, 08:02:59 AM »

Two new UK polls. This is gonna be a horrible result.

ComRes/ITV
UKIP 38 (+8)
Labour 27 (-3)
Tory 18 (-4)
LibDem 8 (nc)

TNS-BMRB
UKIP 36 (+7)
Labour 27 (-3)
Tory 18 (-3)
LibDem 10 (+1)
Logged
Enno von Loewenstern
Rookie
**
Posts: 156
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #922 on: April 30, 2014, 08:39:58 AM »

Two new UK polls. This is gonna be a horrible result.

ComRes/ITV
UKIP 38 (+8)
Labour 27 (-3)
Tory 18 (-4)
LibDem 8 (nc)

TNS-BMRB
UKIP 36 (+7)
Labour 27 (-3)
Tory 18 (-3)
LibDem 10 (+1)

Pretty funny.

However, I will not shake the feeling that this also means a certain deliberate overestimation of UKIP. Only to then provide them at 25% a failure. Do you have evidence for this thesis?
Logged
Enno von Loewenstern
Rookie
**
Posts: 156
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #923 on: April 30, 2014, 08:42:14 AM »
« Edited: April 30, 2014, 09:06:08 AM by Enno von Loewenstern »

Saxony (federal state of Germany) European elections

infratest dimap for MDR

CDU 41%
SPD 18%
Left 17%
AfD 8%
Greens 7%
FDP 2%
Others 7%
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,722
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #924 on: April 30, 2014, 10:36:20 AM »

ComRes and TNS are both infamously terrible polling firms. These polls were done at the same time as the last YouGov one which had UKIP on 31%, for whatever that's worth.
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 32 33 34 35 36 [37] 38 39 40 41 42 ... 51  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.052 seconds with 11 queries.