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« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2013, 04:07:11 PM »

I figured this effortpost deserved its own thread Smiley



Democrats:
46 Supporters
6 Opponents (Donnelly, Manchin, Heitkamp, Johnson, Nelson, Pryor)
3 Ambiguous (Casey, Hagan, Landrieu)

Republicans:
1 2 Supporters (Portman, Kirk)
42 Opponents
2 1 Ambiguous (Collins, Kirk)

Notes:
  • I counted Carper, Kaine, and Rockefeller as supporters; they haven't explicitly endorsed gay marriage, but have made statements that make their beliefs somewhat obvious (and all three signed onto an amicus brief arguing that DADT be overturned in full)
  • Hagan and Tester both sound like they'd be obvious supporters of gay marriage if they didn't have reelection concerns
  • Landrieu avoids making any statements on the issue at all costs is evolving!
  • Casey looks to be in the middle of an "evolution" on the issue and is clearly hoping the Supreme Court solves everything so he won't have to make any difficult votes
  • Donnelly sounds like he's beginning an "evolution" of his own
  • Heitkamp would probably support gay marriage if she was from a liberal state; the other five Democratic opponents appear to genuinely oppose it on principle

Also here's a map!



30% shade means one Senator from the state has an ambiguous position. Gray states have one Senator in support and one opposed.

UPDATE: Included Tester.
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« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2013, 04:41:57 PM »

You missed Casey and Hagan, who are now unambiguously in favor.
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« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2013, 01:04:32 PM »

Among the Democrats in the Senate, Mark Pryor is probably the most sincerely homophobic. 

If Mary Landrieu even appears to be remotely open to the idea of SSM, she'll be even more vulnerable in 2014 than she currently is.  Most of Louisiana is not New Orleans.
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« Reply #53 on: April 03, 2013, 07:30:48 PM »

Pryor is an Evangelical, along with Tim Scott. He'd probably oppose gay marriage even if he were running for office in a more blue state.
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« Reply #54 on: April 03, 2013, 10:01:43 PM »

I figured this effortpost deserved its own thread Smiley



You missed Casey and Hagan, who are now unambiguously in favor.

Democrats:
48 Supporters
6 Opponents (Donnelly, Manchin, Heitkamp, Johnson, Nelson, Pryor)
3 Ambiguous (Casey, Hagan, Landrieu)

Republicans:
2 Supporters (Portman, Kirk)
42 Opponents
1 Ambiguous (Collins, )

Notes:
  • I counted Carper, Kaine, and Rockefeller as supporters; they haven't explicitly endorsed gay marriage, but have made statements that make their beliefs somewhat obvious (and all three signed onto an amicus brief arguing that DADT be overturned in full)
  • Hagan and Tester both sound like they'd be obvious supporters of gay marriage if they didn't have reelection concerns
  • Landrieu  is evolving!
  • Casey looks to be in the middle of an "evolution" on the issue and is clearly hoping the Supreme Court solves everything so he won't have to make any difficult votes
  • Donnelly sounds like he's beginning an "evolution" of his own
  • Heitkamp would probably support gay marriage if she was from a liberal state; the other five Democratic opponents appear to genuinely oppose it on principle

Also here's a map!



30% shade means one Senator from the state has an ambiguous position. Gray states have one Senator in support and one opposed.

UPDATE: Included Tester.
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« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2013, 05:07:11 PM »
« Edited: April 04, 2013, 05:14:33 PM by Ugh. »

Update for Bill Nelson! Florida is now Gray!
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« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2013, 05:41:28 PM »

First post updated!
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« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2013, 05:58:39 PM »
« Edited: April 04, 2013, 06:01:23 PM by Likely Voter »

I am going to be the next Senator to jump in the SSM pool is Susan Collins.

It might also be interesting to subdivide those against SSM to those who support either civil unions and/or the rights of states to decide vs. those who want US constitutional ban (as stated in GOP platform)
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« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2013, 07:05:08 PM »



I figured this effortpost deserved its own thread Smiley



You missed Casey and Hagan, who are now unambiguously in favor.

Democrats:
49 Supporters
6 Opponents (Donnelly, Manchin, Heitkamp, Johnson, Nelson, Pryor)
3 Ambiguous (Casey, Hagan, Landrieu)

Republicans:
2 Supporters (Portman, Kirk)
42 Opponents
1 Ambiguous (Collins, )

Notes:
  • I counted Carper, Kaine, and Rockefeller as supporters; they haven't explicitly endorsed gay marriage, but have made statements that make their beliefs somewhat obvious (and all three signed onto an amicus brief arguing that DADT be overturned in full)
  • Hagan and Tester both sound like they'd be obvious supporters of gay marriage if they didn't have reelection concerns
  • Landrieu  is evolving!
  • Casey looks to be in the middle of an "evolution" on the issue and is clearly hoping the Supreme Court solves everything so he won't have to make any difficult votes
  • Donnelly sounds like he's beginning an "evolution" of his own
  • Heitkamp would probably support gay marriage if she was from a liberal state; the other five Democratic opponents appear to genuinely oppose it on principle

Also here's a map!



30% shade means one Senator from the state has an ambiguous position. Gray states have one Senator in support and one opposed.



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« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2013, 12:24:15 AM »
« Edited: April 07, 2013, 12:07:05 AM by Sheliak5 »

Here is a list of all Dem congresspersons who are either against or amiguous.

Kurt Schrader (OR)
Ron Barber (AZ)
Jim Costa (CA)
Juan Vargas (CA)
Dina Titus (NV)
Collin Peterson (MN)
Ron Kind (WI)
Cedric Richmond (LA)
Filemon Vela (TX)
Gene Green (TX)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
Pete Gallego (TX)
Terri Sewell (AL)
Bennie Thompson (MS)
David Scott (GA)
Sanford Bishop (GA)
John Barrow (GA)
Corrine Brown (FL)
Mike McIntyre (NC)
GK Butterfield (NC)
Nick Rahall (WV)
Pete Visclosky (IN)
Dan Lipinski (IL)
Bill Enyart (IL)
Bobby Rush (IL)
John Larson (CT)
Marcy Kaptur (OH)
John Carney (DE)
Bill Owens (NY)

The worst here are Owens and Larson. They come from states that already have gay marriage yet don't support it themselves. Titus makes no sense either. Almost all of the rest are either Blue Dogs or represent rural southern districts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supporters_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States#cite_note-151

Count Vargas and Larson in.
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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2013, 09:55:03 AM »

I figured this effortpost deserved its own thread Smiley



Democrats:
51 48 Supporters
2 2 Opponents (Donnelly, Manchin, Heitkamp, Johnson, Pryor)
3 1 Ambiguous (Landrieu)

Republicans:
1 2 Supporters (Portman, Kirk)
42 Opponents
2 1 Ambiguous (Collins, Kirk)

Notes:
  • I counted Carper, Kaine, and Rockefeller as supporters; they haven't explicitly endorsed gay marriage, but have made statements that make their beliefs somewhat obvious (and all three signed onto an amicus brief arguing that DADT be overturned in full)
  • Hagan sounds like shey'd be obvious supporters of gay marriage if they didn't have reelection concerns
  • Landrieu avoids making any statements on the issue at all costs is evolving!


    Also here's a map!



    30% shade means one Senator from the state has an ambiguous position. Gray states have one Senator in support and one opposed.

    UPDATE: Included Tester, Donnelly, Johnson, and Heitkamp.

Who is the next Republican? Ayotte? Grassley? Heller?
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« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2013, 09:10:17 AM »

Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) now endorses civil unions. Pryor shows signs of evolving.

I figured this effortpost deserved its own thread Smiley



Democrats:
52 48 Supporters
2 1 Opponents ([Manchin, Pryor)
2 Ambiguous (Landrieu, Pryor)

Republicans:
1 2 Supporters (Portman, Kirk)
41 Opponents
2 Ambiguous (Collins, Hatch*)

Notes:
  • I counted Carper, Kaine, and Rockefeller as supporters; they haven't explicitly endorsed gay marriage, but have made statements that make their beliefs somewhat obvious (and all three signed onto an amicus brief arguing that DADT be overturned in full)
  • Hagan sounds like she'd be obvious supporters of gay marriage if they didn't have reelection concerns
  • Landrieu avoids making any statements on the issue at all costs is evolving!
  • A public statement of support for civil unions as a formal solution is an unambiguous move toward -- ambiguity. Note that the LDS Church has been making moves toward tolerating homosexuality.

Also here's a map!



30% shade means one Senator from the state has an ambiguous position. Gray states have one Senator in support and one opposed.

UPDATE: Included Tester, Donnelly, Johnson, and Heitkamp.

Who is the next Republican? Ayotte? Grassley? Heller?
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« Reply #62 on: April 06, 2013, 10:35:13 AM »
« Edited: April 06, 2013, 03:09:49 PM by Benj »

Hatch has supported civil unions for a long time. It doesn't count as being "ambiguous". And what are "signs of evolving", pbrower? Your declarations are not helpful.
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« Reply #63 on: April 06, 2013, 02:00:17 PM »

Who cares about people who say they support civil unions? Bush said he supported it in 2004. The current pope said he supported it. Last refuge of the bigots.
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« Reply #64 on: April 06, 2013, 06:53:08 PM »

A large fraction of the SSM opponents in Congress support civil unions, and have done so for years.  You're welcome to start a brand new map about that, but integrating it into the existing map doesn't make much sense.
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« Reply #65 on: April 07, 2013, 11:22:37 PM »

A large fraction of the SSM opponents in Congress support civil unions, and have done so for years.  You're welcome to start a brand new map about that, but integrating it into the existing map doesn't make much sense.


Civil unions are a compromise.
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« Reply #66 on: April 08, 2013, 11:02:12 AM »

Who cares about people who say they support civil unions? Bush said he supported it in 2004. The current pope said he supported it. Last refuge of the bigots.

The fact is civil unions are a worthwhile compromise in states where gay marriage itself won't fly anytime soon. Suppot for civil unions is uniformly stronger, and markedly so. Allowing CUs will also accelerate acceptance of gay marriage in many places where the great fear of the unknown and unintended consequences. It's pretty toug to argue that wen a state's recognized CUs for several years.

I'm not saying they should be pushed in states like RI & NJ where SSM seems on the neArhorizon, but in the majority of red and purple atates however.
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« Reply #67 on: April 08, 2013, 02:22:07 PM »

Who cares about people who say they support civil unions? Bush said he supported it in 2004. The current pope said he supported it. Last refuge of the bigots.

The fact is civil unions are a worthwhile compromise in states where gay marriage itself won't fly anytime soon. Suppot for civil unions is uniformly stronger, and markedly so. Allowing CUs will also accelerate acceptance of gay marriage in many places where the great fear of the unknown and unintended consequences. It's pretty toug to argue that wen a state's recognized CUs for several years.

I'm not saying they should be pushed in states like RI & NJ where SSM seems on the neArhorizon, but in the majority of red and purple atates however.

It is much a step toward allowing same-sex marriage if enacted. People who see civil unions in action are much likely to take the next step. Utah is not going to go liberal for a long time, but if the LDS Church decides that gays and lesbians can live wholesome lives...

It's no longer an issue of convincing liberals. It's on to the conservatives. That is going to be on a personal basis.   
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« Reply #68 on: April 08, 2013, 05:44:38 PM »
« Edited: April 11, 2013, 06:43:23 PM by Sheliak5 »

Here is a list of all Dem congresspersons who are either against or amiguous.

Kurt Schrader (OR)
Ron Barber (AZ)
Jim Costa (CA)
Juan Vargas (CA)
Dina Titus (NV)
Collin Peterson (MN)
Ron Kind (WI)
Cedric Richmond (LA)
Filemon Vela (TX)
Gene Green (TX)
Henry Cuellar (TX)
Ruben Hinojosa (TX)
Pete Gallego (TX)
Terri Sewell (AL)
Bennie Thompson (MS)
David Scott (GA)
Sanford Bishop (GA)
John Barrow (GA)
Corrine Brown (FL)
Mike McIntyre (NC)
GK Butterfield (NC)
Nick Rahall (WV)
Pete Visclosky (IN)
Dan Lipinski (IL)
Bill Enyart (IL)
Bobby Rush (IL)
John Larson (CT)
Marcy Kaptur (OH)
John Carney (DE)
Bill Owens (NY)

The worst here are Owens and Larson. They come from states that already have gay marriage yet don't support it themselves. Titus makes no sense either. Almost all of the rest are either Blue Dogs or represent rural southern districts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_supporters_of_same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_States

Kaptur and Titus are now supporters, and at least for Kaptur she's felt that way at least a month. Brown and Sewell are the only female Dems still ambiguous.
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« Reply #69 on: April 08, 2013, 07:15:13 PM »

A large fraction of the SSM opponents in Congress support civil unions, and have done so for years.  You're welcome to start a brand new map about that, but integrating it into the existing map doesn't make much sense.


Civil unions are a compromise.

Of course, but that's not what this list is aiming to show.  I'm sure there are numerous other GOP senators who support civil unions, but this thread was not aiming to offer a comprehensive list of civil union supporters.  If you want to do that, then you have to do the research on each of the senators to see their position on civil unions.  Instead, you're just showing Hatch alone as "ambiguous".
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« Reply #70 on: April 08, 2013, 10:47:15 PM »
« Edited: April 08, 2013, 11:23:03 PM by Alvin Greene 2016! »

Update! All Democrats except Machin and Pryor are in favor! I got a mix-up earlier.
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« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2013, 11:04:33 PM »

When did Collins happen?

And it's debateable if Landrieu counts
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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2013, 11:13:28 PM »

Sorry, I ment Snowe. They're mentioned together so often I got them mixed up.
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« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2013, 11:19:34 PM »

A large fraction of the SSM opponents in Congress support civil unions, and have done so for years.  You're welcome to start a brand new map about that, but integrating it into the existing map doesn't make much sense.


Civil unions are a compromise.

Yes, a 3/5ths compromise.
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« Reply #74 on: April 08, 2013, 11:19:36 PM »

Sorry, I ment Snowe. They're mentioned together so often I got them mixed up.

Snowe isn't in the Senate anymore.  Her term finished a few months ago.
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