Liberal Party Conference

[Napoleon]

X Napoleon

Wolfentoad, do you think its a good idea to unlock the old thread for quoting purposes? Or will we not need anything for the logo/slogan/etc.?

[Napoleon]

We should elect regional directors, I suppose.

Although I'm also thinking we might want to move on entirely...

Should we dissolve or merge with another party? Should we move forward anyway?

[Napoleon]

We should stay, and not dissolve. We may want to suspend the Conference a few days, though.

I'm sick of dealing with the same stupid sh**t.

[Napoleon]

I figure that one of the main reasons some Labor were unwilling to cooperate with Liberal was the person of its protagonist, Napoleon. I'm not judging him, just stating a fact that some prominent Laborite (Snowstalker, Seatown mostly) were unwilling to work with him, and vice versa.

FTR, this goes back to August 2012. Seatown and Snowstalker were running for Senate and I was about to endorse Seatown until they started a jihad against the Liberal Party- the entire party, not just me. They had no reason to, but I am told now that it was encouraged by a certain someone who left the forum. I can't verify the truth to that.

I do know that Snowstalker would have won had he shut his trap, but I instead asked another Labor candidate to run. That candidate won, and the Snowstalker and Seatown became the online equivalent of suicide bombers.

Now, you can accuse me of many things but unwilling to work with others is not one of them. That's why I reached out to Snowstalker to work on some domestic policy bills when we both got elected.

[Napoleon]

(sigh)

I was not accusing you of anything Napoleon. Not everybody is accusing you of something all the time when they speak to you or about you. I was merely stating some difficulties that are undeniable.

You said prominent Laborites are unwilling to work with me and vice versa. How does that explain them attacking the entire Liberal Party and what evidence is there to suggest I am unwilling to work with them? What is the cause of these difficulties and what am I supposed to do to fix them?

[Napoleon]

Griffin doesn't want a two party system, but he PMs Liberals to tell them that they are a conservative party anyway?

The only positive about the Liberal Party was that the newer members actually looked pretty promising. Now they don't even really have that. Its over.

[Napoleon]

Griffin doesn't want a two party system, but he PMs Liberals to tell them that they are a conservative party anyway?

Wanting to win does not mean he wants a two party system. Besides, this is not a Griffin thing, even Nix said he didn't want to join the Liberals because he was worried of it's more libertarian direction.

Nevertheless, I didn't actually know he was doing that and will ask him not to.

That was a cover. It was obvious that Nix's position came down to "I just don't like Wolfentoad. At all." The Liberal Party has never been a libertarian party. We had libertarian members like Jbrase and Dallasfan before Nix even existed around these parts. At the party's peak, the best days the party ever had, it was Nix who was the only Liberal to not vote for our party, and he voted for a libertarian. A libertarian who wasn't even a libertarian by the time he joined the party, and isnt even in the party anymore. Of course the small minority of libertarians in the Liberal Party, all of whom I respect greatly, became a larger percentage of the party. Uh, that's what happens when people like Nix leave the party. Even Nix himself acknowledged that on a scale he would be about the center of where the Liberal Party is. Its just more of the stupid personality politics that most of us are sick of dealing with.

Obviously it isn't up to me to decide what parties other people join. But I am not going to sit here and pretend that the Liberal Party does itself any good ny continuing to exist when it can't even appeal to the people that should be making up the base of the party. I put too much time and effort into the party and too many times people just leave and move on to the next new thing like its no big deal. There is no loyalty at all. Why would I want to continue down that road? It sucked the first fifty times and it will keep sucking.

[Napoleon]

Just for the record, would this also deserve equal condemnation from you as "stupid personality politics"?

As for the alternatives - Labor won't do (especially with the current president)

Yes of course. I don't pick my party based on one or two people I don't like being in that party. That is childish and destructive.