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« on: April 02, 2013, 04:31:31 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 05:12:33 PM »

Awful dude. There's just no excuse for that.
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« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 05:19:20 PM »

That is a whole new registry of asshole. The fact that he's from Arizona does not surprise me.
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« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 05:24:08 PM »

Quite the unrelenting Moses type there. The path to his heart is a convoluted maze of a priori belief blinding him to what is sitting right in front of him.
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« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 05:54:02 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.
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« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2013, 06:01:28 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.
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« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2013, 06:05:12 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

I actually agree with you.
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« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2013, 06:07:03 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.
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« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2013, 06:10:16 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.

In the long run, I agree that it's a good thing for society. However, at the individual level, I have little esteem for people who only see the light through individual experiences as opposed to through trying to put yourself in the shoes of people you don't personally know.
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« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2013, 07:07:29 PM »

Yeah, this just shows he has actual strong beliefs rather than basing his views on personal emotions.
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« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2013, 09:15:47 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.

In the long run, I agree that it's a good thing for society. However, at the individual level, I have little esteem for people who only see the light through individual experiences as opposed to through trying to put yourself in the shoes of people you don't personally know.

Walking in the shoes of the other, who are more abstractions than tangible to you, is a learned skill. Lawyers have to learn it to be effective, but most in life get along fine without having to do so. Perhaps you might be setting a bit too high - and unattainable for most -  standard here?
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« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2013, 09:35:48 PM »

Family members should never be a prevailing reason for policy change, positions on policy should be taken based on the consideration of fairness for all constituents, not just family.
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« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2013, 09:51:18 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.

In the long run, I agree that it's a good thing for society. However, at the individual level, I have little esteem for people who only see the light through individual experiences as opposed to through trying to put yourself in the shoes of people you don't personally know.

Walking in the shoes of the other, who are more abstractions than tangible to you, is a learned skill. Lawyers have to learn it to be effective, but most in life get along fine without having to do so. Perhaps you might be setting a bit too high - and unattainable for most -  standard here?

Maybe... But if there is just one category of people who should have that skill, it's definitely politicians, since they make laws that affect people they will never get a chance to know personally.
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« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2013, 09:54:59 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.

In the long run, I agree that it's a good thing for society. However, at the individual level, I have little esteem for people who only see the light through individual experiences as opposed to through trying to put yourself in the shoes of people you don't personally know.

Walking in the shoes of the other, who are more abstractions than tangible to you, is a learned skill. Lawyers have to learn it to be effective, but most in life get along fine without having to do so. Perhaps you might be setting a bit too high - and unattainable for most -  standard here?

Maybe... But if there is just one category of people who should have that skill, it's definitely politicians, since they make laws that affect people they will never get a chance to know personally.

Their skill is generally speaking all about how to get re-elected, and in tandem with that, forging contacts and loyalties facilitating a seamless segue into a nice sinecure after leaving public office, aka "cashing in."
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« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2013, 09:58:40 PM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.

In the long run, I agree that it's a good thing for society. However, at the individual level, I have little esteem for people who only see the light through individual experiences as opposed to through trying to put yourself in the shoes of people you don't personally know.

Walking in the shoes of the other, who are more abstractions than tangible to you, is a learned skill. Lawyers have to learn it to be effective, but most in life get along fine without having to do so. Perhaps you might be setting a bit too high - and unattainable for most -  standard here?

Maybe... But if there is just one category of people who should have that skill, it's definitely politicians, since they make laws that affect people they will never get a chance to know personally.

Their skill is generally speaking all about how to get re-elected, and in tandem with that, forging contacts and loyalties facilitating a seamless segue into a nice sinecure after leaving public office, aka "cashing in."

Well yeah, my point is that this is bad.
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« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2013, 11:32:26 PM »

No, it's incoherent jmfcst. Do you want to leave incoherency as the legacy of your cameo appearance?

jmfcst... jmfcst?  Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time... a long time.

What's it been now, about 6 months? 
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 04:26:41 AM »

Gee, Senator, your constituents must really be stupid if you can't handle a softball question like that.  The correct answer is:

"Is that a serious question?!  Which one of us chooses to be a sinner? ....

Honestly, I couldn't get any further without thinking 'jmf?'
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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 04:35:54 AM »

Yeah, this just shows he has actual strong beliefs rather than basing his views on personal emotions.

This doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with emotions.  Sometimes a lack of real exposure to something can cloud your perspective.  What is puzzling about this congressman is that he understands that his son did not choose to be gay and yet would continue to condone discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation - which he openly admits is done out of an adherence to tradition, rather than an understanding of facts.  The facts are, same-sex relationships do not destroy the family unit and, as such, if we are to treat his own son's potential family in a different way, that is to designate a branding of inferiority upon it.  If the nature of 'strong beliefs' is that they are unable to adapt to the presentation of new information, how is that at all admirable?

Even a rudimentary understanding of bigotry makes it clear that prejudice maintained in the light of overwhelming evidence to the contrary is one of the most blatant examples of 'strong belief' - but that is not, in and of itself, inherently a good thing.
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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 06:30:11 AM »

It's a story I've seen a few times in state legislatures that have debated same-sex marriage. Doesn't surprise me.
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« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2013, 06:35:24 AM »

Does every gay rights thread have to go down this particular path? I don't care if jmf is banned or not, but this is not the right solution.
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« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2013, 07:29:45 AM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Exactly.

Say his son was caught with child porn. Does that mean he should try and legalise it?
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« Reply #21 on: April 03, 2013, 07:56:17 AM »

Gee, Senator, your constituents must really be stupid if you can't handle a softball question like that.  The correct answer is:

"Is that a serious question?!  Which one of us chooses to be a sinner? ....

Honestly, I couldn't get any further without thinking 'jmf?'
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Well, I am amazed so few people, especially 'christians', can't see through the assertion of "I was born with the inclination so it must be ok" when over and over and over it states we were formed in sin from within our mother's womb and thus born with a sinful nature, meaning we are inclined towards sin.

And instead of accepting what the scripture says is sexually sinful, they make a huge illogical jump by using 'do not judge' and the golden rule to redefine homosexuality as godly.

It is a cop out, I'd rather they be honest and just say, "I don't care if the bible calls it a sin"





I don't care if the Bible calls it a sin.
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« Reply #22 on: April 03, 2013, 08:02:24 AM »

Since people are assessing the political implications regarding Kirk and his reelection stemming from his change in position, perhaps the same measure should be applied to Salmon's unchanging views regarding a potential run for the Senate in 2016. He might be positioning himself in a primary and endear himself to some of the folks that undoubtedly screwed him over in his run for Governor back in 2002.
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« Reply #23 on: April 03, 2013, 08:31:59 AM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Exactly.

Say his son was caught with child porn. Does that mean he should try and legalise it?

umm no, but child porn is different from same-sex marriage in that the latter isn't harmful to anyone.
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« Reply #24 on: April 03, 2013, 09:41:39 AM »

Why should he change the law just because it would benefit his son? That seems a terrible way to guide policy. He should do it because it is the right thing to do for everybody.

Yeah, indeed. At least this guy is not one of those types who only have compassion toward people they can relate to. He is consistent in being an asshole.

But that is the thing you see - to get gays in front of these folks, up close and personal, to whom they can relate. And then let the seed of ambivalence be planted, in hopes that its environment may prove fertile, and eventually take root and spring forth into a possible epiphany. Many have made this journey, and many more are destined to, as time goes on.
Doesn't necessarily lead to support for gay marriage though.

It is... shall we say... more than just about conceivable that it took Salmon quite a bit of travelling down that path to get to where he is now and not favor locking up gays and throwing away the key anymore. This is an Arizona Mormon we're talking about.
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