ScottSurveys: North Korea

[Donerail]

And yet experts agree- see the article I posted for example- that he is mere years away from expanding that range to our mainland. Would we rather stare him down now or when one push of his finger can destroy Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, or Seattle?

And even if his range was capped there- Seoul, Tokyo, our tens of thousands of men and women there...

But why would he do it? He knows exactly how Atlasia would respond to such an attack, and the result would not be favorable for him. He will bluster so long as he thinks he can gain from it, but an actual attack would merely result in him being deposed.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

And yet experts agree- see the article I posted for example- that he is mere years away from expanding that range to our mainland. Would we rather stare him down now or when one push of his finger can destroy Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, or Seattle?

And even if his range was capped there- Seoul, Tokyo, our tens of thousands of men and women there...

But why would he do it? He knows exactly how Atlasia would respond to such an attack, and the result would not be favorable for him. He will bluster so long as he thinks he can gain from it, but an actual attack would merely result in him being deposed.

He may be delusional enough to believe he can win... this is proposed in some articles I have read. He was raised believing his father was a God and that he is nearly a deity destined to rule his country... he is, at 28, exalted by generals and rules millions

[Sopranos Republican]

And yet experts agree- see the article I posted for example- that he is mere years away from expanding that range to our mainland. Would we rather stare him down now or when one push of his finger can destroy Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, or Seattle?

And even if his range was capped there- Seoul, Tokyo, our tens of thousands of men and women there...

But why would he do it? He knows exactly how Atlasia would respond to such an attack, and the result would not be favorable for him. He will bluster so long as he thinks he can gain from it, but an actual attack would merely result in him being deposed.

He may be delusional enough to believe he can win... this is proposed in some articles I have read. He was raised believing his father was a God and that he is nearly a deity destined to rule his country... he is, at 28, exalted by generals and rules millions

This is what I meant when I said deranged sociopaths, SJoyce. They really don't have much of a concept of reality, listen most of the other regimes in the world I agree with you about, but North Korea is an exception, there is a good chance that Kim Jong Un really does believe he is the continuation of some sort of deity, that involves him, his father, and his grandfather.

[Zacoftheaxes]

The Government of Altasia ought not to get involved in the mess North Korea is starting. They are passive-agressively attempting to bait Altasia into war so it may be seen as the victim. In time, like any crying child, North Korea will stop it's game.

[Penelope]

We should not be so bold and rash as to respond so hastily to the regular sabre-rattling from North Korea. Kim Jong-un is establishing his power in the DPRK, nothing more. We should not make the first blow against the North Korean regime. We are defenders. When North Korea begins an invasion of South Korea itself, then we will respond to our allies and enter the war and swiftly bring an end to any hypothetical conflict. But, we must remember that this conflict is indeed hypothetical, and we should not create any conflicts and loss of life that need not happen.

Conflict must be necessary, not willy-nilly.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

Wow, I can't believe that I, of all people, am going to be the conservative who says no. I stood up when many others didn't in support of military action against Iran, but that's because I believe Iran presents a unique situation. Militant Islamic jihadists fight for something much bigger than life... nuclear deterrence isn't guaranteed to work with many of these groups that Iran sponsors.

North Korea, on the other hand, is predominantly interested in its own statehood. What we're seeing in recent days is an oscar performance that could get even more dangerous if we add fuel to the fire. We have the ability to completely obliterate North Korea if we so desire. Kim Jong Un knows that, and I don't believe he'd ever be foolish enough to launch an attack against Atlasia. Going to war with North Korea, or even making steps towards it, would only increase the chances that Atlasian civilians die.

[Gass3268]

I see no need to authorize military actions against North Korea, as long as we are ready to respond if they choose to do anything stupid. Nay 

[Sopranos Republican]

Listen I didn't say we should attack them either for no reason. I just said that we should show them we aren't afraid of them, and aren't afraid to obliterate them, if they try anything. We need to ready, because there is a chance they believe they could win. I mean this is what some of the people  believe about Kim Jong il's birth.

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[Supersonic]

Wow, I can't believe that I, of all people, am going to be the conservative who says no. I stood up when many others didn't in support of military action against Iran, but that's because I believe Iran presents a unique situation. Militant Islamic jihadists fight for something much bigger than life... nuclear deterrence isn't guaranteed to work with many of these groups that Iran sponsors.

North Korea, on the other hand, is predominantly interested in its own statehood. What we're seeing in recent days is an oscar performance that could get even more dangerous if we add fuel to the fire. We have the ability to completely obliterate North Korea if we so desire. Kim Jong Un knows that, and I don't believe he'd ever be foolish enough to launch an attack against Atlasia. Going to war with North Korea, or even making steps towards it, would only increase the chances that Atlasian civilians die.

Hagrid... you're breaking my heart. You're going down a path I can't follow.

(Just ignore the Anakin bit..)

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Yes, but only if North Korea strikes first. No authorization for preemptive strike.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Not right now, but if they even try to lay a finger on us or South Korea or anyone else...

[Kaine for Senate '18]

As of now, yes.  However, my mind may change in the course of discussion at the NSC.

[Zanas]

I'm actually on board with Sjoyce and Napoleon of all people on that one. O_o

Nope.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

So if we have clear intelligence showing the North Korea is about to unleash hell on Seoul- we sit back and wait for South Koreans to die before acting?

[Kaine for Senate '18]

So if we have clear intelligence showing the North Korea is about to unleash hell on Seoul- we sit back and wait for South Koreans to die before acting?

No, but do we have that intelligence?  This just seems reckless, when we lack that intelligence and have allies capable of handling the situation.

But please head over to the NSC and put in as much information as you desire

[CLARENCE 2015!]

So if we have clear intelligence showing the North Korea is about to unleash hell on Seoul- we sit back and wait for South Koreans to die before acting?

No, but do we have that intelligence?  This just seems reckless, when we lack that intelligence and have allies capable of handling the situation.

But please head over to the NSC and put in as much information as you desire

I'll be over in a second...

I do not know if we have such intelligence- but this gives the President the authority to act if we do!

[HagridOfTheDeep]

If we get that intelligence, there will be action from us whether it's approved or not. At least I should hope so. My thinking is that it's a bad idea to actually give the president a blank cheque before we have a reason to do so. It sends a threatening message to North Korea and it might actually give them real cause to want to launch an attack. Right now, they have no reason to attack us because nuclear deterrence will work. If we "ready our troops," things will escalate a lot quicker. 

North Korea understands the concept of self-preservation, so we can bide our time. Iran and its allies are another story all together, and I really believe that shit could hit the fan with them right out of the blue in any minute.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Clarence, would you be open to adding a sunset provision to your bill, in the event that this turns out to be more meaningless tough-guy-talk?