Would a white evangelical Democrat have any trouble winning the Dem nomination?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Reagan and Dubya weren't?

According to wikipedia, Dubya is a methodist (UMC) and Reagan was a presbyterian.

Methodists and Presbyterians can be evangelicals, I believe.

But Reagan and Dubya both belonged to mainline churches.

And yeah, Reagan was reportedly not very religious personally, let alone much of a religious right type. As for Dubya, he is/was a United Methodist (like me ), but of course in Texas, the Methodists are more conservative than in the SF Bay Area.

[Blue3]

How is this thread defining "Evangelical"?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How is this thread defining "Evangelical"?

Here's what I think of evangelicalism as:

-Sola scriptura and sola gratia
-Belief in memorialism in regards to communion.
-Preference of credobaptism over paedobaptism.
-Rejection of a very formal organized hierarchy.
-Rejection of overt ritualism and legalism (yes this is one that many evangelicals don't uphold well, especially conservative ones.)
-Rejection of sacraments and rituals as a needed component for connection to God.

I know many might disagree and might add some points or think some of mine are not important, but I am pretty insistent that it is ludicrous to define the key factor in if someone is evangelical or not to be social conservatism or liberalism, which has essentially become it in modern day America.

[DC Al Fine]

How is this thread defining "Evangelical"?

Here's what I think of evangelicalism as:

-Sola scriptura and sola gratia
-Belief in memorialism in regards to communion.
-Preference of credobaptism over paedobaptism.
-Rejection of a very formal organized hierarchy.
-Rejection of overt ritualism and legalism (yes this is one that many evangelicals don't uphold well, especially conservative ones.)
-Rejection of sacraments and rituals as a needed component for connection to God.

I know many might disagree and might add some points or think some of mine are not important, but I am pretty insistent that it is ludicrous to define the key factor in if someone is evangelical or not to be social conservatism or liberalism, which has essentially become it in modern day America.

BRTD thinks I'm a mainline

In all seriousness BRTD, what would you call the theologically conservative, confessional churches like the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod or Presbyterian Church in America?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Those are examples of what I'd consider conservative mainline churches.

[PJ]

I don't think it makes much of a difference outside the south and Utah. Possibly the Pacific Northwest, which has a large atheist population, but they would probably turn to a 3rd party before the GOP. The evangelical could possibly balance this out with someone  like Keith Ellison, but it wouldn't probably change any states.

[illegaloperation]

As long as he/she is a popular governor/senator from somewhere, I don't see religion as an issue.

The Democratic base is quite secular.

[ag]

Another interesting question is what if they were a convert from Judaism. Would this anger some Jewish voters and cause them to do worse with the Jewish vote, or would they do a bit better because they'd still be ethnically Jewish and would probably still have some cultural ties? I'm really not sure.

Yeah, this would cause discomfort. Both among the secular and among the religious. This is too much of a tribal treason thing. There aren't enough Jews for this to matter much, but it would be an issue.

In contrast, being of Jewish origin would only be a plus for such a candidate with in the tribe. As long as the treason's not his.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Enough to vote against them though? Imagine typical secular Jewish voters havibg to choose between an ex-Jew liberal Democrat and someone like Rick Santorum.

[freepcrusher]

Enough to vote against them though? Imagine typical secular Jewish voters havibg to choose between an ex-Jew liberal Democrat and someone like Rick Santorum.

in that case they would probably vote for someone like Eliot Engel running third party.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Engel's not an idiot. He's not going to throw away his House seat and political future over such a trivial cosmetic issue. Also Jews make up such a small percentage of the population any such campaign wouldn't have any funding or infrastructure which doesn't help for ballot access.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Engel's not an idiot. He's not going to throw away his House seat and political future over such a trivial cosmetic issue. Also Jews make up such a small percentage of the population any such campaign wouldn't have any funding or infrastructure which doesn't help for ballot access.

In fact any attempts by anyone to attack the Democrat over this would probably help them and bring sympathy. It reminds me of Rudy Boschwitz's letter to Minnesota Jewish households in 1990 attacking Paul Wellstone for marrying a non-Jew and not raising his kids Jewish. The backlash against that may have cost Boschwitz the election.

[PJ]

They would probably vote for a third party, but that third party doesn't necessarily have to be jewish. The jewish population has been voting for non-jews for a long time. Jews who vote for democrats may not be extremely sensitive about it. The main group to worry about would be the Orthodox Jews, who probably vote republican anyway. The most conservative person I know is an Orthodox Jew.

Enough to vote against them though? Imagine typical secular Jewish voters havibg to choose between an ex-Jew liberal Democrat and someone like Rick Santorum.