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« on: April 04, 2013, 04:39:53 PM »

http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz-florida-politics/bill-nelson-reverses-opposition-to-gay-marriage/2113223

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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2013, 04:42:27 PM »

Not sure why he held out for so long.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2013, 04:57:41 PM »

Yeah why did he hold out for so long.

The other guys still left however are in conservative states, can't really see them endorsing gay marriage right now.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2013, 04:57:46 PM »

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LoL, it'd be ok to discriminate against both?
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2013, 04:58:29 PM »

Not a ringing endorsement, but good.
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2013, 05:02:01 PM »

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LoL, it'd be ok to discriminate against both?

Yeah, that sounded a little funny.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2013, 05:13:48 PM »
« Edited: April 04, 2013, 05:30:05 PM by Likely Voter »

Well that completes the set of all Dem senators in states that voted for Obama in 2012 (aka the Blue States).

So the question is, who is next: a Red State Dem or another Blue State Pub?
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2013, 05:15:54 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2013, 05:19:57 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.

Not sure why he hasn't been primaried yet, because Florida isn't exactly a conservative state. Although, considering the Florida Dem Bench...
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2013, 05:31:30 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.

Not sure why he hasn't been primaried yet, because Florida isn't exactly a conservative state. Although, considering the Florida Dem Bench...

Because Bill Nelson is a Democrat who will have no trouble being re-elected in a state that would probably prefer another Republican.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2013, 05:32:28 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.

Because Democrats want to hold this seat. He obviously isn't conservative enough to not endorse SSM. I think he's a good fit for Florida.

Not sure why he hasn't been primaried yet, because Florida isn't exactly a conservative state. Although, considering the Florida Dem Bench...
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2013, 06:17:04 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.

Not sure why he hasn't been primaried yet, because Florida isn't exactly a conservative state. Although, considering the Florida Dem Bench...

There isn't really any reason to primary him or any reason to expect a primary challenger would win.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2013, 06:27:03 PM »

Well that completes the set of all Dem senators in states that voted for Obama in 2012 (aka the Blue States).

So the question is, who is next: a Red State Dem or another Blue State Pub?


I'm betting Murkowski, then Collins, then Landrieu.

Collins I'm assuming is worried about a primary challenge. Murkowski's "evolution" should be done in a year or so. Landrieu I can see pulling a Tim Johnson and holding back so it doesn't hurt her brother's campaign (if he even runs for Gov/Sen), though she strongly implied that she supports it already. A few months after her/her brother's campaign ends, expect an endorsement from her.
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2013, 06:45:01 PM »

So the question is, who is next: a Red State Dem or another Blue State Pub?

I'm gonna say the next Pubs will be Murkowski, Susan Collins, maybe Toomey, Lindsey Graham once he comes out, maybe Mike Lee and maybe one of the Wyoming/Idaho Senators
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2013, 06:49:26 PM »

Excellent.
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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2013, 06:54:30 PM »

Well that completes the set of all Dem senators in states that voted for Obama in 2012 (aka the Blue States).

So the question is, who is next: a Red State Dem or another Blue State Pub?


I'm betting Murkowski, then Collins, then Landrieu.

Collins I'm assuming is worried about a primary challenge. Murkowski's "evolution" should be done in a year or so. Landrieu I can see pulling a Tim Johnson and holding back so it doesn't hurt her brother's campaign (if he even runs for Gov/Sen), though she strongly implied that she supports it already. A few months after her/her brother's campaign ends, expect an endorsement from her.

So the question is, who is next: a Red State Dem or another Blue State Pub?

I'm gonna say the next Pubs will be Murkowski, Susan Collins, maybe Toomey, Lindsey Graham once he comes out, maybe Mike Lee and maybe one of the Wyoming/Idaho Senators

What about Donnelly? Isn't he more like Baucus than Pryor?
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2013, 07:02:39 PM »

Will Probably Support Soon:
Murkowski
Collins
Donnelly
Heitkamp

Will Support After Election/Relative's Election:
T. Johnson
Landrieu

Might Support Before 2020:
Manchin
Pryor (If he's still around)
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2013, 07:11:35 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.

Not sure why he hasn't been primaried yet, because Florida isn't exactly a conservative state. Although, considering the Florida Dem Bench...

There isn't really any reason to primary him or any reason to expect a primary challenger would win.

This is hardly the only issue he's been lousy on. He was one of only 4 Senate Democrats to vote to permanently repeal the estate tax.
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2013, 07:23:54 PM »


Because he, in his heart, still opposes gay marriage. This was forced.

Not sure why he hasn't been primaried yet, because Florida isn't exactly a conservative state. Although, considering the Florida Dem Bench...

There isn't really any reason to primary him or any reason to expect a primary challenger would win.

This is hardly the only issue he's been lousy on. He was one of only 4 Senate Democrats to vote to permanently repeal the estate tax.

People here and in most of the US tend to not like paying taxes that much.
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2013, 07:34:07 PM »

Might Support Before 2020:
Manchin
Pryor (If he's still around)
Any Republican running for Senate in a Blue State in 2016 or 2020

Forget about Manchin supporting gay marriage. If he's pro-DOMA he won't support it. Pryor is less likely than Johnson/Heitkamp/Donnelly, but my gut says that he comes out for it in 2020.
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2013, 08:36:08 PM »

Now we're probably just going to get Tim Johnson for the Democrats (he still should, whether his son runs or not) and at least Murkowski and Collins on the Republican side.
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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2013, 08:48:21 PM »

What about Heller? Nevada is fairly socially liberal.
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2013, 09:41:12 PM »

There could be other Republican Senators, but that's more unpredictable, like Rob Portman was.

Isn't Heller some kind of Mormon Tea Party guy?
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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2013, 10:15:43 PM »

Might Support Before 2020:
Manchin
Pryor (If he's still around)
Any Republican running for Senate in a Blue State in 2016 or 2020

Forget about Manchin supporting gay marriage. If he's pro-DOMA he won't support it. Pryor is less likely than Johnson/Heitkamp/Donnelly, but my gut says that he comes out for it in 2020.

I figure he might change if he's literally the last Democrat to not support it. It won't hurt his re-election to badly at that point, as long as he keeps the coal mines safe.
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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2013, 10:17:40 PM »
« Edited: April 04, 2013, 10:41:06 PM by angryGreatness »

Might Support Before 2020:
Manchin
Pryor (If he's still around)
Any Republican running for Senate in a Blue State in 2016 or 2020

Forget about Manchin supporting gay marriage. If he's pro-DOMA he won't support it. Pryor is less likely than Johnson/Heitkamp/Donnelly, but my gut says that he comes out for it in 2020.

I figure he might change if he's literally the last Democrat to not support it. It won't hurt his re-election to badly at that point, as long as he keeps the coal mines safe.

What about Heller? Nevada is fairly socially liberal.


Heller is Mormon, and so are the majority of the primary voters in Nevada. At best he'd take the same position as Flake (Who is also Mormon).
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