Leaks reveal secrets of the rich who hide cash offshore

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[Antonio the Sixth]

Tax havens should be wiped off the map.

[DC Al Fine]

Tax havens should be wiped off the map.

Nuke them bastards

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

[minionofmidas]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

How about expropriating and exiling all those found to have deposited money there?

[freefair]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

So now nations have no right to sovereign fiscal policy?
Cannot tell if serious or trolling.

[Antonio the Sixth]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

So now nations have no right to sovereign fiscal policy?

Nations have no inherent right to sovereignty whatsoever. The principle of national sovereignty is only justifiable through utilitarian considerations (ie, it is necessary to avoid a completely lawless world). However, it is not absolute and can be disregarded if the nation causes to big a damage to its own citizens and/or to the rest of the world.

[DC Al Fine]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

So now nations have no right to sovereign fiscal policy?
Cannot tell if serious or trolling.

Serious.

And this sort of response by the lefties explains why the reactionaries were so harsh.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That's why you should all be concentrated into camps.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

So now nations have no right to sovereign fiscal policy?
Cannot tell if serious or trolling.

'Nations' is an openly absurd word to use in the context of tax havens. Three quarters of them aren't even independent countries to start with, and the rest are bizarre little relics generally comprised of about three parishes and a small county town.

Besides, tax havens are bad things. You only support them because you want to look as radical as possible. It's like people who claim to support nationalising the entire economy or whatever.

[Хahar 🤔]

America has the right idea with regard to tax exiles.

[All Along The Watchtower]

Time for austerity for the rich.

[freefair]

How about expropriating and exiling all those found to have deposited money there?

Honestly, this would be preferable.
While I agree that sovereignty is forfeit-able, it should be so in a limited range of circumstances, like genocide.
If they are not sovereign states, of course the parent nations governing institutions should take every constitutional legal measure to ensure they cannot operate as tax havens. If they are Indipendent, then that is a national matter. We could santion them but the use of force would be too far.
And I am not "trying to look radical", I'm not a radical, In fact I'm trying to form a pragmatic view. I do not actively approve of the existance of tax havens, and don't deny they do damage, but going gung-ho is crazy.

[bgwah]

Three quarters of them aren't even independent countries to start with

Which I've always found strange. Their parent countries should exercise more control.

[DC Al Fine]

Three quarters of them aren't even independent countries to start with

Which I've always found strange. Their parent countries should exercise more control.

Say Britain exerts control shuts down all the tax haven stuff in the Caymans and BVI. They go from having a basically self-sustaining colony to one that requires mass handouts.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Three quarters of them aren't even independent countries to start with

Which I've always found strange. Their parent countries should exercise more control.

He who pays the piper and all that...

[MaxQue]

Three quarters of them aren't even independent countries to start with

Which I've always found strange. Their parent countries should exercise more control.

Say Britain exerts control shuts down all the tax haven stuff in the Caymans and BVI. They go from having a basically self-sustaining colony to one that requires mass handouts.

Get rid of them. UK doesn't need random islands around the globe.

[DC Al Fine]

Three quarters of them aren't even independent countries to start with

Which I've always found strange. Their parent countries should exercise more control.

Say Britain exerts control shuts down all the tax haven stuff in the Caymans and BVI. They go from having a basically self-sustaining colony to one that requires mass handouts.

Get rid of them. UK doesn't need random islands around the globe.

I agree, but then you have a sovereign nation/tax haven instead of a colony/tax haven, which makes dealing with it even harder.

[MaxQue]

Just block any international recognition and help as long they refuses to compel. Small islands isolated won't last for long.

[Zanas]

Or, to circle the loop : nuke 'em.

[DC Al Fine]

Just block any international recognition and help as long they refuses to compel. Small islands isolated won't last for long.

I like that idea, but it presumes the elites are going to accept the loss of a tax haven without a fight.

[politicus]

I think nuclear attacks would be an overreaction, but certainly invasion and military occupation makes sense.

So now nations have no right to sovereign fiscal policy?

Nations have no inherent right to sovereignty whatsoever. The principle of national sovereignty is only justifiable through utilitarian considerations (ie, it is necessary to avoid a completely lawless world). However, it is not absolute and can be disregarded if the nation causes to big a damage to its own citizens and/or to the rest of the world.

Strongly disagree with this. A people has the right to its own country. Of course outside intervention can be justified to remove genocidal regimes, like the removal of Idi Amins and Pol Pots, but it has to be that extreme.

Some tax havens, like Vanuatu in Melanesia, are genuine nation states, but the rest should be pressured by their home government.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The idea that a microcountry's "people" can absolve itself from any moral responsibility toward the rest of the world is as absurd as the idea that an individual can absolve itself from any moral responsibility toward the rest of the society.

[Zanas]

^This. And Melanesia is not a nation state. You must be thinking Micronesia.

[politicus]

^This. And Melanesia is not a nation state. You must be thinking Micronesia.

I said Vanuatu in Melanesia, Melanesia being the geographical and cultural region Vanuatu is located in.