Mount Rushmore: LBJ vs. Reagan

[DevotedDemocrat]

I'll frame a previous question in another way. If it ever came down to who should be on Mount Rushmore, and it was framed between LBJ or Reagan being picked, who would you say deserves more to be on Mount Rushmore?

[Goldwater]

Reagan, although I know LBJ is gonna win this poll.

[RogueBeaver]

Reagan, although I know LBJ is gonna win this poll.

[Donerail]

Deliberately invalidate my own vote.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

Once again, only FDR deserves to be Rushmore'd.

[Cobbler]

Neither. There is no reason to add more Presidents to it. If forced, a much stronger case for FDR can be made than for either of those two, anyways.

[Grumpier Than Thou]

Neither. There is no reason to add more Presidents to it. If forced, a much stronger case for FDR can be made than for either of those two, anyways.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Once again, only FDR deserves to be Rushmore'd.

[Gass3268]

Voted for LBJ, bu this

Once again, only FDR deserves to be Rushmore'd.

[Dr. Cynic]

Neither. There is no reason to add more Presidents to it. If forced, a much stronger case for FDR can be made than for either of those two, anyways.

FDR belongs, but he'd be the only other one. No other President not up there even comes close to deserving.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Voted for LBJ, bu this

Once again, only FDR deserves to be Rushmore'd.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

I don't think anybody should be added to Mt. Rushmore, but if I had to choose, then Reagan would be the obvious choice.

[Oswald Acted Alone, You Kook]

As for the poll itself, that's hard. Historians like LBJ more, but the general public likes Reagan more. (Although it's not much of a gap-Reagan's #14 behind a 3-way tie  for #11 that includes LBJ on average.)

LBJ is more controversial, but Reagan is at least partly responsible for our bad economy. LBJ was more effective, but not always in a good way. Reagan didn't have any wars, but LBJ had the only war America ever lost. (Jurry's still out on Iraqistan)

I can't pick.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

As for the poll itself, that's hard. Historians like LBJ more, but the general public likes Reagan more. (Although it's not much of a gap-Reagan's #14 behind a 3-way tie  for #11 that includes LBJ on average.)

LBJ is more controversial, but Reagan is at least partly responsible for our bad economy. LBJ was more effective, but not always in a good way. Reagan didn't have any wars, but LBJ had the only war America ever lost. (Jurry's still out on Iraqistan)

I can't pick.

If it makes you feel better, Johnson introduced the idea of having the deficit be a very normal occurrence, rather than the thing you tried to balance periodically and keep low. He threw the old style of budgeting out the window. So in a way, he could be blamed for part of our modern situation.

[DevotedDemocrat]

As for the poll itself, that's hard. Historians like LBJ more, but the general public likes Reagan more. (Although it's not much of a gap-Reagan's #14 behind a 3-way tie  for #11 that includes LBJ on average.)

LBJ is more controversial, but Reagan is at least partly responsible for our bad economy. LBJ was more effective, but not always in a good way. Reagan didn't have any wars, but LBJ had the only war America ever lost. (Jurry's still out on Iraqistan)

I can't pick.

If it makes you feel better, Johnson introduced the idea of having the deficit be a very normal occurrence, rather than the thing you tried to balance periodically and keep low. He threw the old style of budgeting out the window. So in a way, he could be blamed for part of our modern situation.

Actually Johnson had the last balanced budget until Clinton.

[TJ in Oregon]

Adding a president to Mount Rushmore in our modern era would be seen as a tremendously partisan statement. For such a move to be accepted, a substantial supermajority would need to be in favor. I voted Reagan in the poll, since he was more deserving than LBJ, but no one should be added. They added Teddy Roosevelt soon, but I think any future additions should require the president to have been dead for at least a century.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

As for the poll itself, that's hard. Historians like LBJ more, but the general public likes Reagan more. (Although it's not much of a gap-Reagan's #14 behind a 3-way tie  for #11 that includes LBJ on average.)

LBJ is more controversial, but Reagan is at least partly responsible for our bad economy. LBJ was more effective, but not always in a good way. Reagan didn't have any wars, but LBJ had the only war America ever lost. (Jurry's still out on Iraqistan)

I can't pick.

If it makes you feel better, Johnson introduced the idea of having the deficit be a very normal occurrence, rather than the thing you tried to balance periodically and keep low. He threw the old style of budgeting out the window. So in a way, he could be blamed for part of our modern situation.

Actually Johnson had the last balanced budget until Clinton.

I believe your'e thinking of Nixon's first budget, which as I recall was achieved by means no longer in use today. I could dig up the Rick Perlstein stuff on Johnson if you really wanted it, but that'd take labor.

[DevotedDemocrat]

As for the poll itself, that's hard. Historians like LBJ more, but the general public likes Reagan more. (Although it's not much of a gap-Reagan's #14 behind a 3-way tie  for #11 that includes LBJ on average.)

LBJ is more controversial, but Reagan is at least partly responsible for our bad economy. LBJ was more effective, but not always in a good way. Reagan didn't have any wars, but LBJ had the only war America ever lost. (Jurry's still out on Iraqistan)

I can't pick.

If it makes you feel better, Johnson introduced the idea of having the deficit be a very normal occurrence, rather than the thing you tried to balance periodically and keep low. He threw the old style of budgeting out the window. So in a way, he could be blamed for part of our modern situation.

Actually Johnson had the last balanced budget until Clinton.

I believe your'e thinking of Nixon's first budget, which as I recall was achieved by means no longer in use today. I could dig up the Rick Perlstein stuff on Johnson if you really wanted it, but that'd take labor.

It was FY 1969. The outgoing President lays out the budget for the year they're leaving. FY 1970 was Nixon's first real budget. Just as FY 2010 was Obama's first.

[Nhoj]

It would make more sense to destroy the monument.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

As for the poll itself, that's hard. Historians like LBJ more, but the general public likes Reagan more. (Although it's not much of a gap-Reagan's #14 behind a 3-way tie  for #11 that includes LBJ on average.)

LBJ is more controversial, but Reagan is at least partly responsible for our bad economy. LBJ was more effective, but not always in a good way. Reagan didn't have any wars, but LBJ had the only war America ever lost. (Jurry's still out on Iraqistan)

I can't pick.

If it makes you feel better, Johnson introduced the idea of having the deficit be a very normal occurrence, rather than the thing you tried to balance periodically and keep low. He threw the old style of budgeting out the window. So in a way, he could be blamed for part of our modern situation.

Actually Johnson had the last balanced budget until Clinton.

I believe your'e thinking of Nixon's first budget, which as I recall was achieved by means no longer in use today. I could dig up the Rick Perlstein stuff on Johnson if you really wanted it, but that'd take labor.

It was FY 1969. The outgoing President lays out the budget for the year they're leaving. FY 1970 was Nixon's first real budget. Just as FY 2010 was Obama's first.

Most of the sources I'm reading through seem to credit Nixon, but the point rests. Fact is that while economists on both sides of the aisle still maintained the old school principle of preferring a balanced budget (both Truman and Ike had balanced budgets three times, I believe), Johnson was a maverick for his time, instead dramatically increasing domestic spending while cutting taxes. At the same time, the Vietnam War would expand, creating a lovely little scenario. I guess he does deserve a spot on Mt. Rushmore for being a very emulated president.

[H. Ross Peron]

Neither. There is no reason to add more Presidents to it. If forced, a much stronger case for FDR can be made than for either of those two, anyways.

FDR belongs, but he'd be the only other one. No other President not up there even comes close to deserving.

Arguably Polk deserves it too.

While I'm more sympathetic to Reagan than other Democratic-leaning people here, I'll have to go with LBJ.

[Supersonic]

Reagan, although I know LBJ is gonna win this poll.

[jpj1421]

LBJ actually did some things of value during his time period.  The only one fighting the Cold War, that didn't need to be fought anymore, was Reagan in the 80's.  His domestic policies were awful, and the Cold War was done no matter what he did, and actually could have gotten worse because of him.  So, LBJ.

[TDAS04]

Neither, but if I had to choose one, LBJ.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Of the two choices given here, Reagan, but FDR more than either of them.