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Question: Which set of positions is now more common in the US?
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Pro-life/support gay marriage
 
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Pro-choice/oppose gay marriage
 
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2013, 06:13:33 AM »

Let's make a list of the (at least somewhat serious) presidential candidates over the past 20 years (i.e. since same-sex marriage became a major issue) who, at the time of their running, fit under one of these.

Pro-life/Pro-gay marriage:

Errr....ummm....the only two who really come close are Ron Paul (who took a "get the government out of marriage" stance in his last two campaigns) and Dennis Kucinich (who was pro-life up until his 2004 campaign).

Pro-choice/Anti-gay marriage:

Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Rudy Giuliani
Al Gore
John Kerry
Barack Obama (in 2008)
John Edwards
Joe Biden
Bill Richardson
Chris Dodd
Ross Perot (?)
Arlen Specter (?)
Pete Wilson (?)

And there's likely some that I'm missing.

As for the OP, I would agree that the former is probably more common now. But we will have to wait another couple of years until we start seeing the first major contenders for the Presidency with those positions.

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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2013, 11:45:11 AM »

Well yeah the first set used to be quite rare, which was always quite confusing in some ways because the second was virtually non-existant on the internet or amongst people under 40. It didn't take long for it to invert in a massive way though.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2013, 01:29:03 PM »

Not as many American’s are ‘pro-life’ once they realise what that actually entails. People seem to think that ‘pro-choice’ means you’re in favour of a free for all approach to abortion; the reality is more nuanced than that. People who are pro choice still favour restrictions but want the choice to be there. That is the key.

Many self-described pro-choicers favor some restrictions on abortion, but it is certainly not the case with the abortion lobby or most pro-choice politicians.   Favoring any restriction on abortion is enough to have you labelled anti-choice and accused of waging a war on women.  So long as Roe is in effect, that's where the policy debate is.
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