Is masturbation immoral?

[12th Doctor]

In theory, yes it is.

[12th Doctor]

In theory, yes it is.

howso when it does not harm anyone?

I am marginally sympathetic to the argument that it is hurtful to some extent because, well, let's say that you are jerking-off thinking of someone that you know.  When you see that person next, does that not change the way you think of them or veiw them.  I can see where if might be hurtful to some relationships.  If you are looking at, say, hard-core porno, then you could make the argument that it is the endorsment of the porno that is sinful.  

I don;t really buy the argument whole-heartedly, but I can see where someone might think that.  I certainly do do it, but it is not something I am really proud of.  It is more like simply serving a raw human desire that, if I were a better person, I would be able to control.

[12th Doctor]

the biggest problem isn't coworkers, it's just thinking. I have to try really hard to keep my mind off sex at work.

The women where I work are very unattractive.  YDA fundraisers and Meetups have some very attractive women plus the added bonus they're liberal Democrats.  Ironically, I don't get that way at Clubs and bars.  I guess women are more attractive when they can actually talk and say something intelligent instead of screaming to their friends.  This is part of the reason I'd much rather sleep with Flavia Colgan than Jessica Simpson.

Well, you can talk to the women at the fundraisers, plus you know you have something in common with them.  I hate clubs because you can't even talk to anybody there.

I think you should do Ann Coulter, though.  Why limit yourself to liberal Democrats?

Because she probably has a penis.

Is that the way you view all strong willed women?  And you have the guts to call conservatives sexist?

[12th Doctor]

the biggest problem isn't coworkers, it's just thinking. I have to try really hard to keep my mind off sex at work.

The women where I work are very unattractive.  YDA fundraisers and Meetups have some very attractive women plus the added bonus they're liberal Democrats.  Ironically, I don't get that way at Clubs and bars.  I guess women are more attractive when they can actually talk and say something intelligent instead of screaming to their friends.  This is part of the reason I'd much rather sleep with Flavia Colgan than Jessica Simpson.

Well, you can talk to the women at the fundraisers, plus you know you have something in common with them.  I hate clubs because you can't even talk to anybody there.

I think you should do Ann Coulter, though.  Why limit yourself to liberal Democrats?

Because she probably has a penis.

I also don't want a political crossfire in a relationship.  During one of the few times I was actually forced to go to Mass becasue I just wanted to avoid an argument, there was actually a very attractive girl speaking at the end of (Catholic) Mass for about 25 minutes regarding (you'll love this KPhil) Generation Life.  She was about 2-3 years younger than me and a gorgeous brunette from LaSalle University.  Needless to say I though she was a priss, amde sarcastic remarks in my head the whoel time and didn't agree with a word she said.

All this proves is lack of certainty in your own views.

I dare say even insecurity.

[12th Doctor]

the biggest problem isn't coworkers, it's just thinking. I have to try really hard to keep my mind off sex at work.

The women where I work are very unattractive.  YDA fundraisers and Meetups have some very attractive women plus the added bonus they're liberal Democrats.  Ironically, I don't get that way at Clubs and bars.  I guess women are more attractive when they can actually talk and say something intelligent instead of screaming to their friends.  This is part of the reason I'd much rather sleep with Flavia Colgan than Jessica Simpson.

Well, you can talk to the women at the fundraisers, plus you know you have something in common with them.  I hate clubs because you can't even talk to anybody there.

I think you should do Ann Coulter, though.  Why limit yourself to liberal Democrats?

Because she probably has a penis.

I also don't want a political crossfire in a relationship.  During one of the few times I was actually forced to go to Mass becasue I just wanted to avoid an argument, there was actually a very attractive girl speaking at the end of (Catholic) Mass for about 25 minutes regarding (you'll love this KPhil) Generation Life.  She was about 2-3 years younger than me and a gorgeous brunette from LaSalle University.  Needless to say I though she was a priss, amde sarcastic remarks in my head the whoel time and didn't agree with a word she said.

All this proves is lack of certainty in your own views.

Lack of certainty?  Ok, you got me.  I'll admit this and I won't too often, but my parents are a pain in the ass about me living at home and not goign to Mass.  I would move out in a heartbeat, but my salary won't cover for me to live anywhere halfway decent with my student loans.

Note: I changed it to "insecurity"

The instinct to view others in a negative light just because they hold veiws different from yours is usually a sign of arrogance which always stems from insecurity in one's self.  True, I could never date a very liberal girl, just like I could never date a very conservative girl... as our world views would be totally different.  I could date a liberal girl, though.

Hell, I went to a Union Hall, on a night before I had a test, to see Dick Gephardt just so that I could be around a girl I was interested in who worked for the Kerry campaign.

[12th Doctor]

Considering you can't be a Communist female without being a feminist, it's pretty clear I want a piece of ass from hot armed and militant left wing feminists.

Wake up.  Women were more exploited under communism than they ever were in this country.  You really don't have much of a grip on the realities of communism.

It sounds like you really just want a dominatrix, regardless of politics.  You should watch "A View to a Kill" the James Bond movie made in 1985 that featured Grace Jones as a dominatrix that James Bonds has sex with.  That's the type of thing you need.  Maybe you should get some "equipment" and invite one of these women over to your bachelor pad...

Actually one of the main reasons the Communists in Nepal have so much support from the female population is they are opposed to many fuedal misogynist traditions. I really doubt the rebels in South America and the Phillipines are a big fan of such things either or anti-equality.

Might I add that in Poland under the communist regime women had free and completely access to abortion and birth control. That is no longer the case.

In Romania, they weren't allowed abortion at all.  Communism has nothing to do with feminism.  Equality for women is part of the communist doctrine, but like most aspects of the communist doctrine, it is a lie.

In any case, I don't equate availability of abortion with equality for women.  You have been brainwashed by the feminazis if that's how you define equality.

He also makes the obvious mistake of assuming that abortion and women's right have anything in common.

[12th Doctor]

the biggest problem isn't coworkers, it's just thinking. I have to try really hard to keep my mind off sex at work.

The women where I work are very unattractive.  YDA fundraisers and Meetups have some very attractive women plus the added bonus they're liberal Democrats.  Ironically, I don't get that way at Clubs and bars.  I guess women are more attractive when they can actually talk and say something intelligent instead of screaming to their friends.  This is part of the reason I'd much rather sleep with Flavia Colgan than Jessica Simpson.

Well, you can talk to the women at the fundraisers, plus you know you have something in common with them.  I hate clubs because you can't even talk to anybody there.

I think you should do Ann Coulter, though.  Why limit yourself to liberal Democrats?

Because she probably has a penis.

I also don't want a political crossfire in a relationship.  During one of the few times I was actually forced to go to Mass becasue I just wanted to avoid an argument, there was actually a very attractive girl speaking at the end of (Catholic) Mass for about 25 minutes regarding (you'll love this KPhil) Generation Life.  She was about 2-3 years younger than me and a gorgeous brunette from LaSalle University.  Needless to say I though she was a priss, amde sarcastic remarks in my head the whoel time and didn't agree with a word she said.

All this proves is lack of certainty in your own views.

Lack of certainty?  Ok, you got me.  I'll admit this and I won't too often, but my parents are a pain in the ass about me living at home and not goign to Mass.  I would move out in a heartbeat, but my salary won't cover for me to live anywhere halfway decent with my student loans.

Note: I changed it to "insecurity"

The instinct to view others in a negative light just because they hold veiws different from yours is usually a sign of arrogance which always stems from insecurity in one's self.  True, I could never date a very liberal girl, just like I could never date a very conservative girl... as our world views would be totally different.  I could date a liberal girl, though.

Hell, I went to a Union Hall, on a night before I had a test, to see Dick Gephardt just so that I could be around a girl I was interested in who worked for the Kerry campaign.

I could go for a moderate SE Penn/New Jersey/New York Republican very easily.  The difference is this girl was such a priss and so hands off sexually I don't think anything could have happened between us.

Yeah, imagine that you might acctually start seeing the person and not the vagina, or, more correctly, imagining the pleasure that you would get from that vagina.  Wouldn't that just be the worst thing in the world?[/sarcasm]

[12th Doctor]

In theory, yes it is.

howso when it does not harm anyone?

I certainly do do it, but it is not something I am really proud of.  It is more like simply serving a raw human desire that, if I were a better person, I would be able to control.

Dude, nobody can control it.  That's one area where I don't agree with the Catholic Church, trying to lay guilt on people for necessarily body functions.  You might as well feel guilty about needing to take a piss.

Undoubtedly there are those who can, though it takes extreme discipline.

Fot the most part, I agree, however.