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rob in cal
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« on: May 13, 2013, 11:36:54 AM »

   Some groups like the Cato institute and Americans for Tax Reform are lining up behind the gang of eight immigration reform bill.  This bill, whatever its merits or demerits, will lead to more legal immigration (how much is open to debate of course), plus its amnesty provisions.  It will likely lead to the US looking more like California.  The question is, if California is such a high tax, socialist hell hole, which groups like ATR and the Cato insititute would argue, why would they support a measure which would likely make the US more like California demographically?
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« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2013, 11:46:15 AM »

     Oversimplification much? California's political makeup is a result of much, much more than its demographics.
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« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2013, 11:51:38 AM »

   Certainly a generalization, but the striking  coincidence between its demographic changes and  the political demise of the GOP in California could certainly give these groups some electoral food for thought.
    Perhaps they are looking to Texas as a counterexample, and indeed it will be intriguing to look at future developments in Texas, and see whether that provides a conservative counter example of a state growing less white demographically but still not going too far to the liberal Democratic side politically.
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« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2013, 12:02:11 PM »


You are comparing apples to Advil while discussing themodynamics with a dash of cacti on the side.  There is no right way to address the question, let alone give you a right answer.
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« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2013, 12:03:38 PM »

     California was also the nucleus for hippie and student movements in the 1960s. Then there is the issue of self-fulfilling prophecy going on, where conservatives leave the state due to it being liberal, which makes it become more liberal. What's more, considering the existence of states like Texas, as you pointed out, I suspect that the coincidence of demographic changes and the fall of the CAGOP is largely a matter of happenstance.
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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2013, 01:31:26 AM »

Economic right-wingers want cheap labor.
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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2013, 06:48:06 PM »

Various motivations (for a lot of conservatives its probably a mixture of these):
-Some conservatives including some Catholics and evangelicals see making illegal immigrants either a permanent underclass or deporting them (and thus break up families) as inhumane and thus want to provide a path to citizenship for them
-Pro-business conservatives want to legalize current illegal immigrants and make it easier for other immigrants to come here to have a larger pool of workers
-Libertarian conservatives want looser borders in keeping with their libertarian principles
-Social conservatives may see Hispanics as being socially conservative while Asians are a "model minority"
-Other conservatives want to appeal to Hispanic and Asian voters in future elections
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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2013, 07:40:05 PM »

Personally, as a conservative, I love California.  I would much rather live there than in the conservative utopia of Texas.  And I support a common-sense immigration reform, much like what Marco Rubio is trying to get passed now.
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