SENATE STANDING COMMITTEE: Gov't Oversight and Reform (Game Reform/PC)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Members
Senator NC Yankee - Committee Chair  
Senator Napoleon - Fill-in Chair
Senator TNF

Current Order of Business:
Game Reform/Pacific Crisis

Topic/Hearing Queue
Committee Consolidation/Meaningfulness
Reorganizing the (non-playable) Cabinet
Special at-large Senate elections

Completed Work
Designating Fill-In Chair

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Okay, which one of you wants to be the designated fill in Chairman under the terms of the Productive Committee Resolution.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Why should I?

This is a serious question.

What about you Nappy? Why should I pick you instead?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

"Well thats taking a position isn't it?" - one of my favorite lines from Nicholas and Alexandra.

Okay, X shall be fill-in chair should I not be able to get online for the stated period of time in the Productive committees Resolution.


Okay, what should we do about the Moderator General and the bill creating. Nixy and the boys were interested in just getting rid of the bill and thus the position. What do you guys think? Does the position serve a role without the bill that creates it? Is there a form of the bill that can be crafted that is more practical that said office can thus enforce?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Senator Napoleon, are of the same opinion on this matter?

Is there any method that is technicaly sound to policing proxies without banning people unintentionally from participating in the game?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This is a free discussion. I jsut direct toward the one who didn't respond last to try and get feedback from both.

The issue is that the bill in question banned the use of proxies and cell phones. The problem is that it is unenforceable and technically ill informed because it makes no exceptions for AOL users (which are by definition a proxy) and many people have used cell phones to vote since then. Also the MG is no longer enforcing the law at all and hasn't been for months.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Then I shall compose a text repealing this bill in question and place it before the committee for consideration.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Section 2: Article II of the Legitimize the Voting Act shall be amended as follows:

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

They are kind of an either/or choice, you know.

I'll start a recommendation vote as choice between one or the other, with maybe a neither option as well.

Then we will proceed probably to a hearing on consolidating these committees. There is some leftover's stuff from Nix's reign of terror as well for us to consider as well. In fact this present issue is one of them. I will need to review the old page to see what the others were.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

RECOMMENDATION VOTE OF THE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND REFORM COMMITTEE

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Section 2: Article II of the Legitimize the Voting Act shall be amended as follows:

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On the matter of which text to be recommended by the committee, which of the above should be selected.

Please select only one of the following:
[   ] Text 1
[   ] Text 2
[   ] Neither

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

RECOMMENDATION VOTE OF THE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND REFORM COMMITTEE

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Section 2: Article II of the Legitimize the Voting Act shall be amended as follows:

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On the matter of which text to be recommended by the committee, which of the above should be selected.

Please select only one of the following:
[ X ] Text 1
[   ] Text 2
[   ] Neither

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The Government Oversight and Reform Committee has recommended the adoption of text repealing the bill and abolishing the Moderator General.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Which of the four above items should we proceed with first (Topic Queue)

I added the ones from thel ast committee and then also included the Legislative Introduction Amendment as well.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would prefer order of importance to be sure. Also, if legislation is close to be coming up I would do that first.

Since so many bills are at final vote, I am going to put the Streamlining Legislative Introduction Amendment up for consideration by the committee.

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Persons to be called: The President or designated representative, Senator Snowstalker, anybody else?

Members have 24 hours to motion to include another person on the list and/or to offer any preliminary statements of opinion on the Amendment in question. Statements will still be allowed after that of course, but it may get mixed in with the victi... err witnesses.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This going to be a fun period to be sure, now with X gone.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

With no additions being made, I am going to contace those on the list and ask them advocate for the Amendment.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

When has it been filtered out by it not being introduced as opposed to passage being rejected? I would assume you aren't planning after that too for obvious reasons. And if it doesn't get introduced, doesn't that say something about the liklihood of passage?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Does the President not have to attain at least six votes to pass a bill (seven for an amendment?) If that is the case, how can getting one be an inconvience if he wants it to pass?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The reason the line is stated, is because you are asking us to eliminate a barrier between the Executive and Legislative branches, a change that would be only considered if it were of the utmost practical necessity and this doesn't appear to be so. Therefore I would state that unless a case can be made as to the inability of the President to get his legislation introduced in the Senate, it should therefore not be adopted.

Mr. President has not your entire adgenda (Spelled that way for old time sake. ) been introduced at this point?

Here is a another issue. The President is not part of the legislative branch and thus not subject to the anti-clogging rules or any of the Senate rules because the Senate lacks the authority create rules save for those of its own membership. If the President is given this ability, what will stop him from "filling the tree" similar to how the leadership does it in RL? Now there are many general things that are good about the RL system, but a ton of bad specific details that we would be wise not to emulate.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What negative impact has there been on the speed of the process from the current system? Did not all your posted garbage get introduced, like, ah immediately?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

And why the f**k didn't Purple come to me then? "If you write it, I'll introduce it 'as is" has been my policy for four years now. I only meddle if I am asked to write them.

And if you couldn't get a Senator to offer an amendment to give your ideas a vote, then doesn't say something about that form or provision, like that it wasn't supported by any Senators and thus couldn't pass regardless?

And your burden is my concern why? Plus, I don't see how this makes any difference in that regard. Whether or not you have a direct pipeline isn't going to make composition easier.

As I see it, legislation gets weeded out based on how much support they get and if it can't get a single of the Senators to introduce it, it is not goign to get passed anyone and would have wasted the Senate's time. I don't see how getting a bill introduced by one Senator is an undesirable burden, when six have be bought to pass this trash anyone and would seem to be the harder of the two. I am against furthering mixing of the branches, unless a reasonable case can be made on the practical side, that outweighs such concerns and that isn't the case here.

If Senator Napoleon has no statements to make on this matter, plan to bring it up for a recommendation vote. I expect ti to be on the floor rather soon.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

You say you want "practical" benefits, but all of your objections are purely ideological or academic in nature.  If this would result in more legislation being written and debated, and more active Presidents proposing more bills, would that not be the only real thing that matters?

Oblivious, Mr. President. I even said, "if the practical benefits outweighed the undesirable nature of further interwinning the branches for this purpose...".

Plus I fully appreciate you criticizing my "academic" nature in this matter, it just adds more to your right wing credentials.

If I thought that were the case, then obviously I would consider supporting the measure, but it is not. We have had an extensive agenda put forward by yourself under the current system and frankly the Senate is rather bogged down as it is with legislation, and just adding more would not really serve to create much benefit (that is even if I thought there would be more legislation). More then likely any extra legislation would be the President introducing less than stellar bills or bills guarranteed to fail (since those are the mostly what the current system weeds out) and thus the Senate would become little more then the President's legislation analysis and review board, as opposed to an independent legislative branch.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

RECOMMENDATION VOTE

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The following vote shall last for 48 hours or until all the sitting committee members have voted, whichever comes first:

Should the above amendment be passed by the Senate and sent to the Regions for ratification?
[   ] Yes
[   ] No

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

RECOMMENDATION VOTE

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The following vote shall last for 48 hours or until all the sitting committee members have voted, whichever comes first:

Should the above amendment be passed by the Senate and sent to the Regions for ratification?
[   ] Yes
[ X ] No