This Whole Affair STINKS -- the new vote is REALLY invalid

[ShapeShifter]

I disagree. The original VOTE thread was very CONFUSING in my opinion.

The new Vote thread was very CLEAR.

This is why I proposed the E-Mail system. But, everyone shot it down. O, well. But then again, I just proposed a NEW RULE for thread voting.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Lewis acknowledged was that he was not an official office holder, but, that nobody else was going to get the ball rolling, he was going to do it. And no objection from you at the time. In fact without the actions of many non-official office holders we would be way behind where we are even now.

1) Did you vote in the original thread?

2) Did totally new information-- not new interpretation-- come to light about the vote?

If you answered yes to 1) and no to 2) you must be accountable for your vote & your endorsement of that process.

It was not even a REAL vote. It was some person who did not even hold office position - once again, no offense to you Lewis. Just because, I "voted" in the non-official voting thread, does not mean anything.

1) Is your SN name Beet?

If you answered yes to 1) then you are accountable to yourself.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Lewis acknowledged was that he was not an official office holder, but, that nobody else was going to get the ball rolling, he was going to do it. And no objection from you at the time. In fact without the actions of many non-official office holders we would be way behind where we are even now.

1) Did you vote in the original thread?

2) Did totally new information-- not new interpretation-- come to light about the vote?

If you answered yes to 1) and no to 2) you must be accountable for your vote & your endorsement of that process.

It was not even a REAL vote.

I will just ignore your snide little remark.

Who said it was not real? Only now are you trying to say it's not real. Did you say it was not real before March 31? And you have quite an incentive for saying so now, seeing as you would like to overturn the result.

Well when all things are said and done, Lewis had no business to call for a VOTE. The call for a Vote should had been done ATLEAST by someone who has been elected OR someone in NYM90's cabinet.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Lewis acknowledged was that he was not an official office holder, but, that nobody else was going to get the ball rolling, he was going to do it. And no objection from you at the time. In fact without the actions of many non-official office holders we would be way behind where we are even now.

1) Did you vote in the original thread?

2) Did totally new information-- not new interpretation-- come to light about the vote?

If you answered yes to 1) and no to 2) you must be accountable for your vote & your endorsement of that process.

It was not even a REAL vote. It was some person who did not even hold office position - once again, no offense to you Lewis. Just because, I "voted" in the non-official voting thread, does not mean anything.

1) Is your SN name Beet?

If you answered yes to 1) then you are accountable to yourself.

What exactly is a REAL vote?  There is no single, official way to ratify  a constitution in the absence of any existing constitution.  Lewis got the ball rolling on ratification because no one else was going to.  Would you rather just have the president decree what the Constitution is?  He's the only current elected office holder (well, and the VP).

Well, then why didn't you and the rest of the democratic party and also everyone else, put the pressure on the President. Next time when you vote for someone, vote for someone who is actually ACTIVE and WILL DO something about things.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Lewis acknowledged was that he was not an official office holder, but, that nobody else was going to get the ball rolling, he was going to do it. And no objection from you at the time. In fact without the actions of many non-official office holders we would be way behind where we are even now.

1) Did you vote in the original thread?

2) Did totally new information-- not new interpretation-- come to light about the vote?

If you answered yes to 1) and no to 2) you must be accountable for your vote & your endorsement of that process.

It was not even a REAL vote. It was some person who did not even hold office position - once again, no offense to you Lewis. Just because, I "voted" in the non-official voting thread, does not mean anything.

1) Is your SN name Beet?

If you answered yes to 1) then you are accountable to yourself.

What exactly is a REAL vote?  There is no single, official way to ratify  a constitution in the absence of any existing constitution.  Lewis got the ball rolling on ratification because no one else was going to.  Would you rather just have the president decree what the Constitution is?  He's the only current elected office holder (well, and the VP).

Well, then why didn't you and the rest of the democratic party and also everyone else, put the pressure on the President. Next time when you vote for someone, vote for someone who is actually ACTIVE and WILL DO something about things.

nick is a progressive.

Thanks for the correction. Makes more sense now.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Lewis acknowledged was that he was not an official office holder, but, that nobody else was going to get the ball rolling, he was going to do it. And no objection from you at the time. In fact without the actions of many non-official office holders we would be way behind where we are even now.

1) Did you vote in the original thread?

2) Did totally new information-- not new interpretation-- come to light about the vote?

If you answered yes to 1) and no to 2) you must be accountable for your vote & your endorsement of that process.

It was not even a REAL vote.

I will just ignore your snide little remark.

Who said it was not real? Only now are you trying to say it's not real. Did you say it was not real before March 31? And you have quite an incentive for saying so now, seeing as you would like to overturn the result.

It wasn't a real vote because the Progressives took it on themselves to unofficially take the process out of Dan's hands and put it up to a vote without any authority to do so and then put a voting up on ONLY proposals that they wanted to see in the constitution.  The reason I didn't complain earlier is that I hadn't foundout, until Dan said something, that Dan had not approved of this measure.

I agree. We can't have NON-OFFICE holder take things in their own hands.

[ShapeShifter]

What position does Lewis Trondheim have in the Atlas Forume??? Does he even have an official position? Because if he does not, no offense to you Lewis, he had no business in calling for a vote on a ratification of the constition.

If I remember correctly, one of the first things Lewis acknowledged was that he was not an official office holder, but, that nobody else was going to get the ball rolling, he was going to do it. And no objection from you at the time. In fact without the actions of many non-official office holders we would be way behind where we are even now.

1) Did you vote in the original thread?

2) Did totally new information-- not new interpretation-- come to light about the vote?

If you answered yes to 1) and no to 2) you must be accountable for your vote & your endorsement of that process.

It was not even a REAL vote.

I will just ignore your snide little remark.

Who said it was not real? Only now are you trying to say it's not real. Did you say it was not real before March 31? And you have quite an incentive for saying so now, seeing as you would like to overturn the result.

It wasn't a real vote because the Progressives took it on themselves to unofficially take the process out of Dan's hands and put it up to a vote without any authority to do so and then put a voting up on ONLY proposals that they wanted to see in the constitution.  The reason I didn't complain earlier is that I hadn't foundout, until Dan said something, that Dan had not approved of this measure.

I agree. We can't have NON-OFFICE holder take things in their own hands.

The existing administration (Nym, Harry, DemRepDan) all endorsed Lewis's threads by voting on both the constitution and the amendments.  Nym and Harry have expressed the view that the matter was resolved.  

DemRepDan, who ran against Nym and Harry in the presidential election, and voted against the administration on the preferential voting amendment, is now trying to overturn that vote because it didn't turn out the way he wanted.  If the administration in anyway did not endorse the vote Lewis started, they should have objected before the vote was finished.

We can't have people doing the president and others job for them and then later on the president and others say, o yea, i support this. Official business should be done BY and ONLY office holders. Like I said, you can discredit all you want the person, and make them look like an idiot, but Lewis had no business to call for a vote.