The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III

[Lief 🗽]

Words can't express...

I'm going to assume western Ukraine is more fiscally conservative, and eastern Ukraine is more socially conservative?

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[H. Ross Peron]

No far-left is autocracy, communism, fascism, socialism etc.

[Arturo Belano]

To add to that:

Is absolute monarchy far left in that case?

Yep. So would folks like the Taliban

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Words can't express...

I'm going to assume western Ukraine is more fiscally conservative, and eastern Ukraine is more socially conservative?

I was reading this on my phone while doing a Ingress farming event sitting in a lobby. Everyone was wondering why I started laughing so hard. Seriously I'll just hope that was a joke because if it wasn't...wow.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Words can't express...

I'm going to assume western Ukraine is more fiscally conservative, and eastern Ukraine is more socially conservative?

Oh my God.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

Words can't express...

I'm going to assume western Ukraine is more fiscally conservative, and eastern Ukraine is more socially conservative?

A new low.

[Sol]

It may prove to be a smart move to force Russia to go into the Ukraine so as to sucker them into another Afghanistan and further weaken their power.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

All of it is good besides the Marijuana part.  I know of someone who, while high, mutilated themselves by trying to have sex with a lawnmower. I was told that the mescaline naturally found in Marijuana often causes dangerous proclivities.

Can you confirm this, Adam C. FitzGerald?

[TNF]

HP. He's an NRA member and hunter who represents a district that went to Obama with about 2/3rds of the vote in 2012 and is terribly trying to get people to believe he's evolving on same-sex marriage now.

And apparently, this has been a Dingell seat in Congress since 1932, the FDR era. Dingell only even won it because his father died and simply took advantage of the situation, so he's literally trying to form a hierarchy with Debbie. We can't let him and he's far overextended his stay, yet says after 58 years in Congress, "I don't want people to say I stayed too long." I'll be so glad to see this guy gone and see a real Michiganite become Dean in John Conyers.

Bolded the most delusional aspect of this post, but it's also terrible for the fact that it completely ignores Dingell's long history of fighting for socialized medicine and standing as an ally of organized labor because he supported the right to self defense and was a member of an organization that believed in armed self defense.

[Хahar 🤔]

This is the problem with liberals.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Quinnipiac also just released numbers that showed senseless Ohioans favor of medical marijuana use with 87% of Ohioans approving and 11% of FFs disapproving, are in favor of recreational/personal marijuana with 51% of Ohioans approving and 44% of FFs disapproving, and 50% of FFs in support of same-sex marriage in Ohio with 44% opposed. That's still a shame though if more people support drug use, both medical and personal, than they do of two people of the same-sex who love each other to marry. Ohio's on the wrong side of history and if our Republican majority needs to do anything to protect this state, it's preventing marijuana from ever making the ballot in Ohio since the voters can't be trusted. It's no coincidence that voters 18-29 overwhelmingly support it and would just abuse the drug if they ever got the opportunity to use it. I support decriminalization as does John Kasich and likely Ed FitzGerald as well, but they're right as money when they say we have to prevent drug abuse and crime and legalizing marijuana won't do any good for our streets. It's an addiction and if voters agree that what happened in CO and WA is bad for the country, have never before tried the drug, partially agree that it leads to doing other drugs, and overwhelmingly agree that someone on marijuana driving a car is very uncomfortable, then they don't know what they're getting the state into by supporting both types of marijuana. Besides, this amendment has failed before and Attorney General Mike DeWine recently affirmed his position against marijuana who is able to reject the petitions and amendment should he choose. It's clear that the voice of Ohioans is within the grasp of DeWine and I know he'll make the right decision. The amendment would need 385,000 signatures to get an opportunity to be on the ballot, but they're doing much worse than FreedomOhio is with the early petition numbers. They would need the signatures by July 2nd, 2014. If the Ohio Rights Group gets their way, their next target will be recreational marijuana which can't happen. It can't.

[TNF]

Quinnipiac also just released numbers that showed senseless Ohioans favor of medical marijuana use with 87% of Ohioans approving and 11% of FFs disapproving, are in favor of recreational/personal marijuana with 51% of Ohioans approving and 44% of FFs disapproving, and 50% of FFs in support of same-sex marriage in Ohio with 44% opposed. That's still a shame though if more people support drug use, both medical and personal, than they do of two people of the same-sex who love each other to marry. Ohio's on the wrong side of history and if our Republican majority needs to do anything to protect this state, it's preventing marijuana from ever making the ballot in Ohio since the voters can't be trusted. It's no coincidence that voters 18-29 overwhelmingly support it and would just abuse the drug if they ever got the opportunity to use it. I support decriminalization as does John Kasich and likely Ed FitzGerald as well, but they're right as money when they say we have to prevent drug abuse and crime and legalizing marijuana won't do any good for our streets. It's an addiction and if voters agree that what happened in CO and WA is bad for the country, have never before tried the drug, partially agree that it leads to doing other drugs, and overwhelmingly agree that someone on marijuana driving a car is very uncomfortable, then they don't know what they're getting the state into by supporting both types of marijuana. Besides, this amendment has failed before and Attorney General Mike DeWine recently affirmed his position against marijuana who is able to reject the petitions and amendment should he choose. It's clear that the voice of Ohioans is within the grasp of DeWine and I know he'll make the right decision. The amendment would need 385,000 signatures to get an opportunity to be on the ballot, but they're doing much worse than FreedomOhio is with the early petition numbers. They would need the signatures by July 2nd, 2014. If the Ohio Rights Group gets their way, their next target will be recreational marijuana which can't happen. It can't.

Jesus Christ.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

ITT: white liberal racism

Africans express their homophobia as a nationalistic, or at least anti-western, reaction all the while their governments cheerfully accept western aid; while they stand in lines outside western embassies for hours in insufferable heat for the possibility of an entrance visa to Sodom and Gomorrah; while floating on furniture in the Mediterranean wishing to crash land into Europe. Even if the African himself never sets foot off the continent, he still happily accepts the remittances that his cousins in the Gay US or the Gay UK collect to send back home. It's as if Africans cannot apprehend that the mindset that allows gays to live in relative peace in western Europe/Canada/the good parts of the US is the same mindset that allows immigrant Africans themselves to live, and perhaps thrive, in western Europe/Canada/the good parts of the US for their benefit.

I wish I could say that it would be a great learning experience to resettle these Africans to their equally nationalistic and homophobic brethren in Russia, or China, or India, or the Middle East, or the dreadful parts of the US where the American missionaries are based, and see whether thrive in each, but I know better. Africans are already present in numbers in China and the Middle East, and, for all their complaints about the bigotry and abuse they face from their non-western inhabitants, the experience has not changed their base attitudes against people they think are inferior to them.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/24/world/africa/uganda-anti-gay-bill/

It's official, President Yoweri Museveni has signed a modified version of the bill... basically the only thing the changed was "death" to "life in prison"

And to think they ask why Westerners think less of them. Oh well, eventually they will socially evolve out of this madness as their economies develop and education proliferates.

[LeBron]

HP. He's an NRA member and hunter who represents a district that went to Obama with about 2/3rds of the vote in 2012 and is terribly trying to get people to believe he's evolving on same-sex marriage now.

And apparently, this has been a Dingell seat in Congress since 1932, the FDR era. Dingell only even won it because his father died and simply took advantage of the situation, so he's literally trying to form a hierarchy with Debbie. We can't let him and he's far overextended his stay, yet says after 58 years in Congress, "I don't want people to say I stayed too long." I'll be so glad to see this guy gone and see a real Michiganite become Dean in John Conyers.

Bolded the most delusional aspect of this post, but it's also terrible for the fact that it completely ignores Dingell's long history of fighting for socialized medicine and standing as an ally of organized labor because he supported the right to self defense and was a member of an organization that believed in armed self defense.

You have to understand though that I'm one of the most anti-gun members of the forum and don't like gun owners let alone hunters at all. Heck, I've even openly supported the DC Firearms Control Regulations Act, so don't find my dislike for an NRA Democrat shocking.

And jeez, can anybody openly express their views against marijuana without it landing in Deluge?

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

HP. He's an NRA member and hunter who represents a district that went to Obama with about 2/3rds of the vote in 2012 and is terribly trying to get people to believe he's evolving on same-sex marriage now.

And apparently, this has been a Dingell seat in Congress since 1932, the FDR era. Dingell only even won it because his father died and simply took advantage of the situation, so he's literally trying to form a hierarchy with Debbie. We can't let him and he's far overextended his stay, yet says after 58 years in Congress, "I don't want people to say I stayed too long." I'll be so glad to see this guy gone and see a real Michiganite become Dean in John Conyers.

Bolded the most delusional aspect of this post, but it's also terrible for the fact that it completely ignores Dingell's long history of fighting for socialized medicine and standing as an ally of organized labor because he supported the right to self defense and was a member of an organization that believed in armed self defense.

You have to understand though that I'm one of the most anti-gun members of the forum and don't like gun owners let alone hunters at all. Heck, I've even openly supported the DC Firearms Control Regulations Act, so don't find my dislike for an NRA Democrat shocking.

And jeez, can anybody openly express their views against marijuana without it landing in Deluge?

For point A) Whether or not one is surprised by one's views does, in theory, not detract from their perceived absurdity. Regarding point B) There are certain establishment beliefs this forum has. Among them is in the legalization of marijuana. When a Democrat of all people opposes it, the jackals that make up this forum's commentators will pounce.

Do you find some intrinsic evil in owning a gun? Curious as to if and why.

Also, Snowstalker, when it comes to homophobic policies in less well-off countries, how is one on the left supposed to react? "Oh, good, let's appreciate culture"? It seems funny that you, who, last I checked, was both anti-Israel and anti-Islam (or however you term it) is now calling people critical of other perceived third world atrocities racist.

(I'll be honest, I have little idea if all of what you posted relates to homophobia in Africa or not, but I think my point still stands)

[afleitch]

Also, Snowstalker, when it comes to homophobic policies in less well-off countries, how is one on the left supposed to react? "Oh, good, let's appreciate culture"? It seems funny that you, who, last I checked, was both anti-Israel and anti-Islam (or however you term it) is now calling people critical of other perceived third world atrocities racist.

(I'll be honest, I have little idea if all of what you posted relates to homophobia in Africa or not, but I think my point still stands)

Don't pretend you care about homophobia in either example.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Does it sound like I do? Sorry. My question is largely how you balance Snowstalker's purported beliefs with being "not racist".

[afleitch]

Does it sound like I do? Sorry. My question is largely how you balance Snowstalker's purported beliefs with being "not racist".

It did a bit. You have a reputation to maintain after all.

[Oakvale]

Regarding point B) There are certain establishment beliefs this forum has. Among them is in the legalization of marijuana. When a Democrat of all people opposes it, the jackals that make up this forum's commentators will pounce.

...or the fact that Adam's post is moronic, absurd, ignorant and bad.

Ohio's on the wrong side of history and if our Republican majority needs to do anything to protect this state, it's preventing marijuana from ever making the ballot in Ohio since the voters can't be trusted. It's no coincidence that voters 18-29 overwhelmingly support it and would just abuse the drug if they ever got the opportunity to use it.

Deranged Reefer Madness handwringing ahoy!

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No. What does this even mean?

His other posts are telling in that they show about as much awareness of anything approaching fact as Bushie's hilarious "I have seen cannabis destroy lives" post a few weeks back.

Besides being very uncomfortable in a hypothetical overdosed driver behind the wheel or never before knowing the addictive feeling from the drug

"Overdosed", "addictive feeling". Do I spot someone who's never tried marijuana in their life?

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Yeah f*** people with chronic pain and other ailments that medical marijuana can generally alleviate. Thank God it's (according to Adam) unlikely that Ohio voters will deign to improve these degenerate junkie's quality of life. This is just a disgusting post. At least with the Atlas posters who oppose euthanasia I can arguably see the conundrum since it's at least a matter of life and death. With this you're literally applauding depriving people of treatment for painful symptoms. God bless Ohio!

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...I take back what I said earlier re: you never having tried marijuana. Have you ever met anyone who has? Or, I don't know, even seen a depiction of marijuana use on television or something? It's utterly amazing to me how someone can be so wilfully ignorant of the effects of such a common substance.

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...and we get to the heart of the matter. The bafflingly persistent myth of the "gateway drug". This idea doesn't even support the cause of the anti-drug brigade since it's so obviously vile nonsense and reduces the credibility of any "serious" anti-drug messaging.

In 2013, 22% of 12th grade students had used marijuana in the past month. What kind of heroin usage level do you think's going to result out of such a figure? 15% of 12th graders? 10%? I assume you're intelligent enough to see how ludicrous the gateway nonsense is.

There's a disturbing tendency among some "liberals" here (and clearly I use that word loosely) to want to Help Society™, regardless of the actual impact on individuals. Someone posted recently that they approve of Helping™ people against their will. That idea's horrifying to me, and I can't imagine I'm the only one. We can see the same logic in this clown car of a post. A basic axiom's that people should generally be allowed a certain level of freedom that doesn't impact on other people. However, to Help Society™ it's apparently perfectly acceptable to restrict individual freedoms based on fuzzy logic, wishful thinking, scaremongering and paranoia because you can conceivably draw a vague link between legalising marijuana and plunging the nation into anarchy or whatever. As long as Mommy State is happy, all of us held close to her bosom, everyone will be doing just fine, playing their own little part in the great machinery of social democracy.

It has become clear that the nanny state must be smashed at all costs and its supporters dragged through the streets by their own high horses.

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Oakvale, I hope I didn't imply that such a belief was wrong, but merely that dissent wasn't tolerated. The jackals are, of course, correct. And yes, Adam's posts reek of ignorance (and weed).

[FEMA Camp Administrator]

Does it sound like I do? Sorry. My question is largely how you balance Snowstalker's purported beliefs with being "not racist".

It did a bit. You have a reputation to maintain after all.

I try to properly layer my posts with words like "perceived", "purported", and "alleged" so as to properly detach oneself from the subject at hand. It clearly isn't working. I will try harder.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I'm sorry oakvale, you're a good poster, but I don't understand why this post is in the good post gallery, particularly this part:

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The idea of letting people do all they want is, even against society, is,  according to me, particularly AWFUL. People should be protected against themselves. People can do bad things  and it's the state's duty to avoid that. Society is much more important than individuals because Society represents ALL PEOPLE, not one person. Societies were made by individuals who accepted to restrict their liberty, but in exchange they were protected (see Rousseau: Le contrat social). I don't understand the backlash with that conception.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I'm sorry oakvale, you're a good poster, but I don't understand why this post is in the good post gallery, particularly this part:

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The idea of letting people do all they want is, even against society, is,  according to me, particularly AWFUL. People should be protected against themselves. People can do bad things  and it's the state's duty to avoid that. Society is much more important than individuals because Society represents ALL PEOPLE, not one person. Societies were made by individuals who accepted to restrict their liberty, but in exchange they were protected (see Rousseau: Le contrat social). I don't understand the backlash with that conception.

Yes... but the concept of individual liberty is a two-way street. I believe in an over-arching duty of care to one another, but equally, the other side of general liberty and an not libertard "grrrr" is that individuals have the right of self-determination. Assuming those actions are not impinging on the rights and freedoms of others or placing undue or unreasonable burden on society... then the right to do things that are self-destructive is honestly part of that.

Self-determination is a utopy. Free will doesn't exist. I will explain that tomorrow but I'm tired! Good night everybody!

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

4. If Republicans again lose every single Northeast State and every single West Coast State will you admit that your party is out of touch and needs to reach out to moderates?

"If Democrats again lose every single Deep South state and every single Great Plains state will you admit that your party is out of touch and needs to reach out to moderates?"

Umm no... first of all, Florida is a deep south state and Democrats routinely win it so this post is nonsensical.

Furthermore, those aren't even established regions and even if they were they contain much fewer electoral votes than the Northeast + California... 

Pretty much one of the dumbest posts I've read in a while.

[Horus]

I was fairly neutral on libertarianism before Obama but the events of the last five years have convinced me that it is not only misguided but positively destructive.

Our President is not awful because he likes "big government" but because he is an incompetent weakling that had zero business being President in the first place. In fact, I would be willing to bet at least 95% of conservatives would be comfortable with big government if they trusted the people in power.

The GOP needs to run on a platform that restores order to American society. That means less focus on tax cuts and more focus on stopping homosexual supremacism. 

19th century libertarianism is extremely unappealing to ordinary people. I know liberals believe that the GOP is merely interested in helping the rich, but even if that was true the GOP could not get votes without appealing to many ordinary people as well. The basis for this appeal is that Republicans are a coalition of people who do not like their society being destroyed.

Moreover, libertarianism not only does nothing to defend ourselves, but actually permits the opposition unrestricted free reign. It is literally the same thing as unilateral disarmament.

The best Republican President can be determined by which one is currently most hated in the media establishment. By that standard, I would say Nixon is the one to emulate, minus his idiotic mistakes in Watergate.