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Sec. of State Superique
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« on: April 21, 2013, 09:05:35 AM »

I was taking a look at recent Israeli Elections and it seems to me that Parties' Support is strongly divided on Israel. Since the emergence of Kadima, we haven't seen any party getting more than 30 MKs! Some will tell me that this good for Israel but I think that this divisive scenario leads to bulky and unstable coalitions....

Anyway, is this Pure PR Fault? Or it's just how things work on Israel?

Information Plus: In Brazil we have loads of Parties as well and this doesn't help our Presidents forming an acceptable government.
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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 12:16:58 PM »

Mostly PR. One can get away with being a purist in straight PR system. Such tomfoolery wouldn't work in a FPTP system. There's a reason why the Tea Party isn't a separate party of its own.
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« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 05:59:28 AM »

Mostly PR. One can get away with being a purist in straight PR system. Such tomfoolery wouldn't work in a FPTP system. There's a reason why the Tea Party isn't a separate party of its own.

This. Combined with a very low threshold.
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« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2013, 01:47:03 PM »

Obviously the electoral system contributes, but it's mostly a reflection of Israeli society which is remarkably fragmented and multi-polarised.
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« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2013, 02:40:33 PM »

Obviously the electoral system contributes, but it's mostly a reflection of Israeli society which is remarkably fragmented and multi-polarised.

Yeah, this. Even beyond the obviously exclusive groups (Hasidim, Arabs), the vast majority of people living in Israel had virtually nothing in common 100 or even 50 years ago. A Jew in Moscow, a Jew from Brooklyn, and a Jew from Yemen lived totally different lives prior to the founding of Israel, then they were quickly thrown together for mostly political reasons. Of course that's going to cause a fragmented society (and thus fragmented elections).
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2013, 02:48:35 PM »
« Edited: June 17, 2013, 03:40:09 PM by politicus »

Obviously the electoral system contributes, but it's mostly a reflection of Israeli society which is remarkably fragmented and multi-polarised.

Yeah, this. Even beyond the obviously exclusive groups (Hasidim, Arabs), the vast majority of people living in Israel had virtually nothing in common 100 or even 50 years ago. A Jew in Moscow, a Jew from Brooklyn, and a Jew from Yemen lived totally different lives prior to the founding of Israel, then they were quickly thrown together for mostly political reasons. Of course that's going to cause a fragmented society (and thus fragmented elections).

The Israeli Labour Party led by Eastern Europeans - mainly Poles, where quite succesful in integrating various groups under one umbrella in the first four decades of Israels existence and from the 70s onwards Likud managed to unite the right wing. Allowing the party system to fragment based on the various religious and ethnic cleavages was very much a result of the electoral system - and especially the low threshold.

The fragmentation started in the 90s. As late as 1992 Labour got 44, Likud 32 and Meretz 12 of the 120 seats. So almost 3/4 of the seats to the three largest parties.
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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2013, 12:29:09 AM »

Obviously the electoral system contributes, but it's mostly a reflection of Israeli society which is remarkably fragmented and multi-polarised.

Yeah, this. Even beyond the obviously exclusive groups (Hasidim, Arabs), the vast majority of people living in Israel had virtually nothing in common 100 or even 50 years ago. A Jew in Moscow, a Jew from Brooklyn, and a Jew from Yemen lived totally different lives prior to the founding of Israel, then they were quickly thrown together for mostly political reasons. Of course that's going to cause a fragmented society (and thus fragmented elections).

huh?  I believe they ended up together because they all moved to the same place, as they had something in common.
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