This 1 Chart Should Shame The U.S. Into Solving Its Hunger Crisis
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« on: May 30, 2013, 01:44:32 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2013, 04:48:49 PM »

How do they measure this? Most of the poor in the US have an obesity problem, because cheap food is fatty and greasy food.
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2013, 04:57:30 PM »

How do they measure this? Most of the poor in the US have an obesity problem, because cheap food is fatty and greasy food.

Being forced to eat unhealthy food due to poverty is nearly as bad as being starved - in either case the rich are culpable.
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« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2013, 05:11:20 PM »

hunger drives wages down.
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« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2013, 05:23:27 PM »

20% can't afford food? Who are these people?

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« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2013, 09:55:51 PM »

20% can't afford food? Who are these people?



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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2013, 01:56:59 PM »


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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2013, 03:19:30 PM »

Even with food stamps? 
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2013, 03:43:32 PM »

How do they measure this? Most of the poor in the US have an obesity problem, because cheap food is fatty and greasy food.

A lot of it depends on knowledge/education. You can eat pretty well on minimum wage by buying rice, beans, potatoes, onions etc in bulk and supplementing with a bit of meat and eggs. I imagine a diet like that is probably cheaper than what a typical poor person eats. Sadly that sort of diet is more likely to be eaten by a SWPL than a poor person.
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« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2013, 03:51:58 PM »

I bet Chinese and Indonesians tend to have a different definition of it being "hard to put food on the table" than most Americans do.
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« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2013, 04:57:50 PM »


SNAP is not particularly generous, especially for the working poor.  A 2 adult, 2 kid family with the adults both working minimum wage jobs 40 hours a week each, would just barely qualify for SNAP and about the most they would get is $150 a month for the four of them. (If they got more it would be because they had larger expenses elsewhere in their budget that reduced their calculated net income for SNAP, which would mean they had less non-SNAP money to spend on food.) If those adults both got raises to $8/hr, that extra $60/month would be enough to kick them off SNAP as they would fail the gross income test.

The calculations for SNAP aim to have a certain level of money available for food based upon an expectation that you'll be able to spend roughly 30% of your income on food.  If circumstances mean you can't, then SNAP's calculations will be off.  In the example above, SNAP assumes that a family of four needs a minimum monthly food budget of $668 of which $150 comes from SNAP and $518 comes from the household income.
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« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2013, 05:28:09 PM »


I'm pretty sure there are millions of destitute people who are not eligible for food stamps, Torie.  As I remember it, single males could only get them for a few months per lifetime.
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« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2013, 06:17:26 PM »

How do they measure this? Most of the poor in the US have an obesity problem, because cheap food is fatty and greasy food.

A lot of it depends on knowledge/education. You can eat pretty well on minimum wage by buying rice, beans, potatoes, onions etc in bulk and supplementing with a bit of meat and eggs. I imagine a diet like that is probably cheaper than what a typical poor person eats. Sadly that sort of diet is more likely to be eaten by a SWPL than a poor person.
I know many destitute people who struggle with buying food.  They eat a lot of potatoes, bread, rice, and beans... and also a lot of eggs (which are like the one food item that is still cheap for the nutrients you get) and lots of pork... pork chops especially.

One lady I know eats like that.. and also grows a huge garden and she cans everything.  She's always pawning pickles and zucchini and things off on us.

You have to be creative.. but even in the land of 90 day growing seasons (we might have frost tonight Sad) you can crank out large quantities of food.

This is why the gardening revolution in cities like Detroit are such a great thing.  It doesn't get any more local, nutritious, or cheaper than out of the garden.
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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2013, 07:33:51 PM »

Americans fundamentally don't know how many calories they are supposed to consume per a day.  It's not a set number.  It depends on your size and activity both physical and metabolic.  There is more than enough food available to feed all Americans.  It's simply a matter of getting the knowledge to the people and distributing the food to where it is needed.  Instead of paying farmers NOT to grow food the government should run a program where they distribute fruit and vegetable baskets to the needy.  They also need to teach people they don't have to constantly consume 2,000+ Kcal a day.  If you are eating low fat, low sugar, high nutrient food most people can meet all their metabolic needs with far fewer calories.
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« Reply #14 on: June 12, 2013, 09:26:21 AM »

I think Shua is correct. I do not buy at all that there are more Americans than Chinese actually struggling to put food on the table.
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« Reply #15 on: June 12, 2013, 03:37:30 PM »

Out of touch man is out of touch.
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« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 02:30:17 PM »

I think Shua is correct. I do not buy at all that there are more Americans than Chinese actually struggling to put food on the table.
Be that as it may, the wealthiest country in the world should not be content with 15% of its citizens needing food assistance.
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« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 03:15:15 PM »

I think Shua is correct. I do not buy at all that there are more Americans than Chinese actually struggling to put food on the table.
Be that as it may, the wealthiest country in the world should not be content with 15% of its citizens needing food assistance.

America is not the wealthiest country in the world.
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« Reply #18 on: June 30, 2013, 03:46:18 PM »

I think Shua is correct. I do not buy at all that there are more Americans than Chinese actually struggling to put food on the table.
Be that as it may, the wealthiest country in the world should not be content with 15% of its citizens needing food assistance.

America is not the wealthiest country in the world.
I was talking about Nominal GDP, if that wasn't obvious enough.
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« Reply #19 on: June 30, 2013, 05:52:58 PM »

I think Shua is correct. I do not buy at all that there are more Americans than Chinese actually struggling to put food on the table.
Be that as it may, the wealthiest country in the world should not be content with 15% of its citizens needing food assistance.

America is not the wealthiest country in the world.
I was talking about Nominal GDP, if that wasn't obvious enough.

So? Nominal GDP is not helpful here. Luxembourg has a smaller GDP than Bangladesh but it certainly has less of a food problem.
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« Reply #20 on: June 30, 2013, 07:16:41 PM »

I think Shua is correct. I do not buy at all that there are more Americans than Chinese actually struggling to put food on the table.
Be that as it may, the wealthiest country in the world should not be content with 15% of its citizens needing food assistance.

America is not the wealthiest country in the world.
I was talking about Nominal GDP, if that wasn't obvious enough.

So? Nominal GDP is not helpful here. Luxembourg has a smaller GDP than Bangladesh but it certainly has less of a food problem.

Want to sort by GDP (PPP) per capita? Fine. A handful of micro-nations and then the US.

The point that a country with 21% of the world's Gross Domestic Product but only 4% of the global population, the most powerful country by any measure, should not be content to have 15% of its population on food stamps still stands.
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