Update Season VIII - "Lions and Tigers and Bears, Oh My!"

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

Bushie: "I won't take a picture of the scale until my mom is somewhere else, because she would think it's weird."

Real reason: "I won't take a picture of the scale until I learn how to photoshop really good."

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Jesus Christ.. literally. I used to subscribe to the same theological thinking as Bushie (to me, what he said is Christianity, period, if the Bible is your guide.) You guys are missing the point.

- Everyone has sinned, therefore no one is acceptable to a perfect God
- Jesus, who didn't sin, took the punishment for us
- If you accept this you are free from sin
- Now that you are free from sin, live as holy a life as you can

The Bible says we should not sin freely like there are no consequences because duh, that makes the whole thing look retarded, and furthermore it means you must not seriously believe. If you are saved, it will show outwardly by your works.

This is one of the best things to people about Christianity. You can always come back.

The problem is that what Bushie believes isn't quite this, or rather, it is but only in the most disgusting, self-serving way possible. I've bolded the parts that he doesn't seem to care about.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Pathetic.  Salvation should come from how you live, not whether you believe the right thing.

You do realize that since God is perfect and holy and His standard is perfect and holy that without grace, EVERYBODY would go to hell.  One little white lie is enough to keep someone out of heaven.  We've all told a little white lie, so we'd all be condemned if it weren't for God's grace.  Nobody deserves heaven.  We all deserve hell.  The question should not be (and is not) why does God let good people go to hell, but why does God let anybody into heaven.  Just because you or I haven't committed murder or child rape doesn't mean we're any more deserving of heaven than they are.  We are equally as deserving of eternal judgment.  One sin is just as bad as another.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Bushie's church is the type I imagine being held in a tent with a guy in suspenders and a collarless shirt... absolutist and anti-intellectual.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Jesus Christ.. literally. I used to subscribe to the same theological thinking as Bushie (to me, what he said is Christianity, period, if the Bible is your guide.) You guys are missing the point.

- Everyone has sinned, therefore no one is acceptable to a perfect God
- Jesus, who didn't sin, took the punishment for us
- If you accept this you are free from sin
- Now that you are free from sin, live as holy a life as you can

The Bible says we should not sin freely like there are no consequences because duh, that makes the whole thing look retarded, and furthermore it means you must not seriously believe. If you are saved, it will show outwardly by your works.

This is one of the best things to people about Christianity. You can always come back.

The problem is that what Bushie believes isn't quite this, or rather, it is but only in the most disgusting, self-serving way possible. I've bolded the parts that he doesn't seem to care about.

Actually, Tik hit the nail on the head.  Just because you have been saved does not give you a "license to sin" as it were.  Salvation will show through your works.  The Apostle James says "Faith without works is dead."  Works does not affect your salvation, but you can judge a tree by its fruit.  If someone's life doesn't exhibit good works, then one has the right to question if they've ever believed in the first place.  In my own life, I've made tons of mistakes, but there is a clear trail of wanting to get into His Word, spend time in prayer, assist my fellow man, etc.  Yes, I have a lot of lies and porn on my record, but when I repent of those sins, God throws those sins as far as the east is from the west and remembers them no more.  They will not be brought up when I get home.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Oddly under Bushie's theology (which I obviously don't adhere to) gay and lesbian Christians would be fine and saved even if homosexuality is a sin. But how many who adhere to that do accept LGBT Christians? Actually that puts gays as worse than murderers.

I do believe that LGBT people can be saved just like straight people.  I don't discriminate based on one's sexuality and neither does God.  Everyone, regardless of their sexuality, needs grace and deserves to have a chance to come to Christ.

[Eraserhead]

Pathetic.  Salvation should come from how you live, not whether you believe the right thing.

You do realize that since God is perfect and holy and His standard is perfect and holy that without grace, EVERYBODY would go to hell.  One little white lie is enough to keep someone out of heaven.  We've all told a little white lie, so we'd all be condemned if it weren't for God's grace.  Nobody deserves heaven.  We all deserve hell.  The question should not be (and is not) why does God let good people go to hell, but why does God let anybody into heaven.  Just because you or I haven't committed murder or child rape doesn't mean we're any more deserving of heaven than they are.  We are equally as deserving of eternal judgment.  One sin is just as bad as another.

Telling a white lie is not as bad as raping or killing someone. Sorry.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Pathetic.  Salvation should come from how you live, not whether you believe the right thing.

You do realize that since God is perfect and holy and His standard is perfect and holy that without grace, EVERYBODY would go to hell.  One little white lie is enough to keep someone out of heaven.  We've all told a little white lie, so we'd all be condemned if it weren't for God's grace.  Nobody deserves heaven.  We all deserve hell.  The question should not be (and is not) why does God let good people go to hell, but why does God let anybody into heaven.  Just because you or I haven't committed murder or child rape doesn't mean we're any more deserving of heaven than they are.  We are equally as deserving of eternal judgment.  One sin is just as bad as another.

Telling a white lie is not as bad as raping or killing someone. Sorry.

That is true, but a white lie is still bad enough to keep you out of heaven.  That's the point I'm getting at.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Oddly under Bushie's theology (which I obviously don't adhere to) gay and lesbian Christians would be fine and saved even if homosexuality is a sin. But how many who adhere to that do accept LGBT Christians? Actually that puts gays as worse than murderers.

I do believe that LGBT people can be saved just like straight people.  I don't discriminate based on one's sexuality and neither does God.  Everyone, regardless of their sexuality, needs grace and deserves to have a chance to come to Christ.

Um... it's not the person... they can be gay - just not have sex... I thought that was point

[opebo]

I like this!   Bush I also care about nothing but myself!

[memphis]

Don't most Protestant denominations follow the same argument Bushie is making? I don't find the idea reasonable either, but it's hardly unusual or surprising. It's not even as bad as Calvinism where most people are predestined to be damned. Religion is child abuse.

[WalterMitty]

Now you all understand why bushie's pastor didnt need any education or training?

[Lief 🗽]

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

[memphis]

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

The one with the guy in the cape and big pointy hat?

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Jesus Christ.. literally. I used to subscribe to the same theological thinking as Bushie (to me, what he said is Christianity, period, if the Bible is your guide.) You guys are missing the point.

- Everyone has sinned, therefore no one is acceptable to a perfect God
- Jesus, who didn't sin, took the punishment for us
- If you accept this you are free from sin
- Now that you are free from sin, live as holy a life as you can

The Bible says we should not sin freely like there are no consequences because duh, that makes the whole thing look retarded, and furthermore it means you must not seriously believe. If you are saved, it will show outwardly by your works.

This is one of the best things to people about Christianity. You can always come back.

The problem is that what Bushie believes isn't quite this, or rather, it is but only in the most disgusting, self-serving way possible. I've bolded the parts that he doesn't seem to care about.

Actually, Tik hit the nail on the head.  Just because you have been saved does not give you a "license to sin" as it were.  Salvation will show through your works.  The Apostle James says "Faith without works is dead."  Works does not affect your salvation, but you can judge a tree by its fruit.  If someone's life doesn't exhibit good works, then one has the right to question if they've ever believed in the first place.  In my own life, I've made tons of mistakes, but there is a clear trail of wanting to get into His Word, spend time in prayer, assist my fellow man, etc.  Yes, I have a lot of lies and porn on my record, but when I repent of those sins, God throws those sins as far as the east is from the west and remembers them no more.  They will not be brought up when I get home.

I get that, but you don't seem to think this requires any quotidian effort on your part at all. Then again my soteriology is more or less that of Rahner.

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

The one with the guy in the cape and big pointy hat?

You realize that's not actually an argument except in the most facile and uninteresting sense.

[memphis]

Ok, the one who thinks condoms and birth control are a serious evils? That's the one that makes sense.

[WalterMitty]

bushie is napping right through this theological discussion!

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

memphis: Better, especially because now you're discussing actual doctrine and aspects of the Catholic Church that do create or entrench serious problems for people rather than simply not conforming to contemporary sartorial conventions, but even so...you know?

[Joe Biden 2020]

bushie is napping right through this theological discussion!

No, I was off helping my grandmother with a few things.

[King]

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

The one with the guy in the cape and big pointy hat?

I'll take the grandiose ceremony over the batsh**t beliefs any day.

I already knew Bushie's types are of the "you don't need to follow Jesus example, only follow him" school.  It's disgusting how far they will take it, especially the new brand of weird Ayn Rand conservative Christain types.  I'm acquaintances with a guy who won't give to charity because he interprets that what Jesus meant by helping the poor is to not actually help them but to "give them the Gospel," which seems to make Christianity into a pyramid scheme where the mission is to "give the Gospel" and the text of the Gospel is "the mission is to give the Gospel."

[Lief 🗽]

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

The one with the guy in the cape and big pointy hat?

So they have funny costumes? At least they believe in evolution and encourage their adherents to be good people.

[memphis]

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

The one with the guy in the cape and big pointy hat?

So they have funny costumes? At least they believe in evolution and encourage their adherents to be good people.

Not concerned about the atrocities in their history? The insane social control of Confession? Catholics and Baptists can both be crazy, you know.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Basically what this last page or two has taught me is that Catholicism is the only branch of Christianity that makes a lick of sense.

The one with the guy in the cape and big pointy hat?

So they have funny costumes? At least they believe in evolution and encourage their adherents to be good people.

Treating women as second class and how they feel about gays doesn't encourage to be good people. Yes Protestants like Bushie are the same but not all Protestants.

FYI I refuse to attend any church that doesn't let women be ordained or preach. Non-negotiable issue to me.

[Joe Biden 2020]

Since when am I not encouraging people to be good citizens?  Go back and read my posts.  Works don't define salvation, but they are a by product of salvation.  I also stated that if one isn't doing anything good, then their neighbor has the right to question their salvation.  That's not exactly not encouraging people to be good.  Of course, I have to say something 15 times before the forum takes it.

[memphis]

So, just for the heck of it, Bushie. Talking snake. Real or not?