SENATE BILL: High Speed Rail Expansion Act (FAILED)
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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2013, 04:37:45 AM »
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2013, 01:59:52 PM »
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2013, 03:14:45 PM »
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« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2013, 03:19:26 PM »
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2013, 05:00:43 PM »
Quote from: Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 22, 2013, 06:17:24 PM
As much as I would like to post my present thoughts on the matter, I am going to have to wait until tomorrow. I think I have pushed myself, the computer and the connection to its limit today. Tongue

I really have to stop foreshadowing disaster and my own subsequent misery.

Hagrid you talk about a new process, basically an earmarking process (not a dirty word here), no? If that is the case we have done that once before using the Regional Senators as go betweens with the Regional Executives. We used that back in 2010 on infrastructure spending and could use it again, this time bringing in the Game Moderator and yes, the SoIA to facilitate that interaction.

We should also go back and find a way to ensure that all those money's undistributed are distrbuted and I think the best way to do that involves the Executives since their regions' are getting screweed and they are in the best place to identify and demand those funds.

That is the abridged version of what I had to say on the matter. Tongue
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« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2013, 05:07:19 PM »
Yes, exactly. Or something like "reverse earmarks." On the federal level, we can work to create a sort of master plan with funding mechanism. Then we work out the details with the effected regions and get someone in each legislature to introduce the relevant plan. The legislatures can change things as they see fit, I guess... but the point is that's we'd still be setting a framework in which the regions can hammer things out. It's a balance between oversight and independence that I think would work much better than taking over on the federal level or shoving the entire issue to the regions.
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« Reply #31 on: June 23, 2013, 11:06:22 PM »
I authored that infrastructure bill in 2010! I used those funds to build a highway in my name in the IDS! The good old days... Tongue
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« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2013, 06:11:15 PM »
I am having a hard time visualizing the proposal for some reason, Hagrid. Could you war game some kind of example so I can picture it?
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« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2013, 07:56:23 PM »
The problem with regionalising totally the high speed funding if than you will either:

1. Have only intra-regional links, not inter-regional ones.
2. Have links to other regions which stop at the border or than get completed at different points.

And still, I think than urban transportation is more important than high speed rail.
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« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2013, 02:15:15 PM »
Quote from: Senator North Carolina Yankee on June 24, 2013, 06:11:15 PM
I am having a hard time visualizing the proposal for some reason, Hagrid. Could you war game some kind of example so I can picture it?

Here is a very rough framework for how I think my idea could possibly work. Senator MaxQue's issues would also be addressed. This proposal would formalize a lot of informal processes, but I think it's a fair way to execute a project of this scope.


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« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2013, 06:40:35 PM »
In light of that my opinion is tha we should use this potentially as a way to bring interconnectedness where necessary with regards to the previous probjects and focus mostly on potentially other aspects of infrastructure primarily in this bill. We could also look at amending the method for apportioning the money and resources established in those previous acts. 
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« Reply #36 on: June 30, 2013, 05:48:25 PM »
So, what's going on here, ladies?
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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2013, 08:03:17 PM »
Ask you prematurely retired Vice President since this is one of his slots, Mr. President.
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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2013, 10:19:37 PM »
The amendment passes!

Debate resumes Tongue
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2013, 11:42:22 PM »
Perhaps the GM can break down how the current bills have improved our transportation infrastructure and what areas we are still lacking in? I don't want to keep dumping money with no results.
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« Reply #40 on: July 03, 2013, 03:39:04 PM »
A final vote will commence in 24 hours if no one objects.
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« Reply #41 on: July 03, 2013, 03:40:13 PM »
I object.
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« Reply #42 on: July 03, 2013, 04:36:11 PM »

Do you have an amendment you want to offer?
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« Reply #43 on: July 03, 2013, 04:52:14 PM »
Do I need to?
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« Reply #44 on: July 03, 2013, 04:57:04 PM »

I suppose not, if you're just wanting to stall it for the sake of stalling it. Tongue
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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2013, 04:58:40 PM »
Quote from: VP Duke on July 03, 2013, 04:57:04 PM

I suppose not, if you're just wanting to stall it for the sake of stalling it. Tongue

As opposed to moving on for the sake of moving on? How about the Senate actually debate bills before voting?
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2013, 05:01:14 PM »
I motion for cloture.
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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2013, 05:02:28 PM »

Okay senators, please vote aye, nay or abstain on cloture to end debate.
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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2013, 05:03:02 PM »
« Edited: July 03, 2013, 05:04:39 PM by Napoleon »
Nay

Snowstalker wants to end the debate. In his case it never began. This is ridiculous.
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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2013, 05:20:52 PM »
Keeping it on the floor takes two or three days longer. Voting it down means wasting all the days already spent here.

This whole PPT/VP split doesn't work. It was worth trying but I don't think we should continue, the Senate can run itself.

So instead of spending a bit more time making something work you would rather piss away all the time already spent with this?

The Senator requesting cloture hasn't even participated in the debate and wants to end it.
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