French Presidential election: Copé vs Marine

[Dereich]

Ok, we have a Hollande vs Le Pen option, lets have one for Copé vs Le Pen. No staying home, no suicide, no emigration. You must choose. I'm very interested to see how forum leftists vote.

[H. Ross Peron]

Copé easily

[Supersonic]

Copé easily

[Antonio the Sixth]

I know Copé is objectively the less awful of the two, but I just can't imagine myself casting my ballot for him. Ever. Irrational, I know.

[windjammer]

It's really horrible to choose. They are really similar and awful. So, gun to my head,  Copé really reluctantly...

[Leftbehind]

If I'm given no choice to spoil or absent myself, then probably Le Pen. The far-right can't really lose if the mainstream Right are rewarded with victory even when they're this far, at least one is proposing stronger welfare and it'll be a fine chance to discredit the FN.

[DC Al Fine]

Why is Cope a bete-noire for the left?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Why is Cope a bete-noire for the left?

Besides the fact he's a FN in all but name, he has the worst personality a politician could possibly have.

[Goldwater]

Copé easily

[DC Al Fine]

Why is Cope a bete-noire for the left?

Besides the fact he's a FN in all but name, he has the worst personality a politician could possibly have.

So what's the difference between the two?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Why is Cope a bete-noire for the left?

Besides the fact he's a FN in all but name, he has the worst personality a politician could possibly have.

So what's the difference between the two?

Le Pen as President would probably be much more unpredictable for obvious reasons (ie being in a political party without a government tradition, and whose vote is based primarily on populism and xenophobia). Considering how strong the President is under the 1958 constitution, that can really make you shudder. Copé would just be a 100 times worse version of Sarkozy. We know what we're getting.

[Niemeyerite]

Le Pen is too moderate for my taste. Copé.

[Hash]

Why is Cope a bete-noire for the left?

Besides the fact he's a FN in all but name, he has the worst personality a politician could possibly have.

So what's the difference between the two?

Le Pen as President would probably be much more unpredictable for obvious reasons (ie being in a political party without a government tradition, and whose vote is based primarily on populism and xenophobia). Considering how strong the President is under the 1958 constitution, that can really make you shudder. Copé would just be a 100 times worse version of Sarkozy. We know what we're getting.

The only thing which might make a Copé presidency better than a Panzergirl presidency is that the UMP still has a semblance of internal democracy and many prominent leaders who aren't FNlite like him, though if by some horror he's elected president that too might change. The FN, on the other hand, has become a nepotistic family enterprise (more so since 1998) and Panzergirl has been pushing forward a "new generation" of 20-30 something toolboxes who regurgitates wholesale her wisdom like she was Mao. Any FN member capable of alternative thought or criticism of Panzergirl has become suspect in her eyes, although arguably that might be for the better since 'alternative thought' in the FN is stuff like 'the Holocaust never happened' or 'Hitler was kewl'.

[minionofmidas]

Besides the fact he's a FN in all but name, he has the worst personality a politician could possibly have.

Le Pen as President would probably be much more unpredictable for obvious reasons

It is with a heavy heart and a rising gallbladder that the addition of these two factors forces me to vote for tankgirl.

[windjammer]

So Marine is winning? LOL

[Wake Me Up When The Hard Border Ends]

So Marine is winning? LOL

Obvious trolls are obvious.

As for me, I'd vote Copé.

[politicallefty]

Strategically for the left, Le Pen could possibly be the better option in this instance. With a UMP President, it's fairly likely that the UMP would also control Parliament, which tends to be a rubber-stamp. On the other hand, I could imagine French voters electing a more left-wing Parliament to constrain an FN President. I'd imagine it would be an unpleasant five years, but I do understand the French system to essentially leave domestic affairs to Parliament in a cohabitation scenario.