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[Goldwater]

1960

Vice President Oldiesfreak (R-MI) / Senator Goldwater (R-AZ) - 279 EVs
Governor Adam C. FitzGerald (D-OH) / Senator Snowstalker (D-PA) - 201 EVs
Unpledged electors - 57 EVs

[Oldiesfreak1854]

1968 Presidential Election:

Governor Oldiesfreak1854 (R-MI)/Senator ElectionsGuy (R-WI) - 284 EVs
Senator Snowstalker (D-PA)/Governor Adam C. FitzGerald (D-OH) - 254 EVs

Dixie ultimately costs the Democrats in the race the election. Despite unpopularity of the War in Vietnam and an outgoing incumbent Democratic President, Snowstalker and A. FitzGerald become doves on foreign policy promising a full withdrawal of U.S. troops from Vietnam and remain competitive up north while holding a number of southern states. However, still angry over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the deep south turns against the social Democrats and turn to the more socially conservative Republican Governor of Michigan, Oldiesfreak.

The South was already moving toward Republicans before the civil rights legislation.  And you seriously think white racists would vote for me?

SKIP

[LeBron]

1968 Presidential Election:

Governor Oldiesfreak1854 (R-MI)/Senator ElectionsGuy (R-WI) - 284 EVs
Senator Snowstalker (D-PA)/Governor Adam C. FitzGerald (D-OH) - 254 EVs

Dixie ultimately costs the Democrats in the race the election. Despite unpopularity of the War in Vietnam and an outgoing incumbent Democratic President, Snowstalker and A. FitzGerald become doves on foreign policy promising a full withdrawal of U.S. troops from Vietnam and remain competitive up north while holding a number of southern states. However, still angry over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the deep south turns against the social Democrats and turn to the more socially conservative Republican Governor of Michigan, Oldiesfreak.

The South was already moving toward Republicans before the civil rights legislation.  And you seriously think white racists would vote for me?

SKIP

For one thing, you should stop interrupting these with remarks on almost every single map somebody posts.

But come on, it was obvious from the start of the FDR Presidency that the Democratic Party would one day no longer appeal to deep southerners. Those were not only Barry Goldwater Repub. states, but also Wallace states and there's no question they would go for you two. Not only because you and ElectionsGuy are much more hawkish than me or Snowstalker is or the bout with civil rights at the time, but in all honestly do you really think that Dixie would vote for a Democratic establishment, economically and socially liberal gay northern guy and pretty much a socialist from Pennsylvania? They would rather want me dead at that time than they would their President. Let's be serious here....

[Oldiesfreak1854]

1968 Presidential Election:

Governor Oldiesfreak1854 (R-MI)/Senator ElectionsGuy (R-WI) - 284 EVs
Senator Snowstalker (D-PA)/Governor Adam C. FitzGerald (D-OH) - 254 EVs

Dixie ultimately costs the Democrats in the race the election. Despite unpopularity of the War in Vietnam and an outgoing incumbent Democratic President, Snowstalker and A. FitzGerald become doves on foreign policy promising a full withdrawal of U.S. troops from Vietnam and remain competitive up north while holding a number of southern states. However, still angry over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the deep south turns against the social Democrats and turn to the more socially conservative Republican Governor of Michigan, Oldiesfreak.

The South was already moving toward Republicans before the civil rights legislation.  And you seriously think white racists would vote for me?

SKIP

For one thing, you should stop interrupting these with remarks on almost every single map somebody posts.

But come on, it was obvious from the start of the FDR Presidency that the Democratic Party would one day no longer appeal to deep southerners. Those were not only Barry Goldwater Repub. states, but also Wallace states and there's no question they would go for you two. Not only because you and ElectionsGuy are much more hawkish than me or Snowstalker is or the bout with civil rights at the time, but in all honestly do you really think that Dixie would vote for a Democratic establishment, economically and socially liberal gay northern guy and pretty much a socialist from Pennsylvania? They would rather want me dead at that time than they would their President. Let's be serious here....

First, George Wallace was a Democrat.  I think it's more likely he would run against both of us as an Independent (like he did IRL.)  Second, the notion that someone as strongly pro-civil rights as me would win in the Deep South in 1968 is comical.  Maybe in the Outer South, which was already oving toward the GOP before the civil rights movement, but not there.  Economic issues, anti-communism, and in-migration had much more to do with the shift than race.

[LeBron]

1968 Presidential Election:

Governor Oldiesfreak1854 (R-MI)/Senator ElectionsGuy (R-WI) - 284 EVs
Senator Snowstalker (D-PA)/Governor Adam C. FitzGerald (D-OH) - 254 EVs

Dixie ultimately costs the Democrats in the race the election. Despite unpopularity of the War in Vietnam and an outgoing incumbent Democratic President, Snowstalker and A. FitzGerald become doves on foreign policy promising a full withdrawal of U.S. troops from Vietnam and remain competitive up north while holding a number of southern states. However, still angry over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965, the deep south turns against the social Democrats and turn to the more socially conservative Republican Governor of Michigan, Oldiesfreak.

The South was already moving toward Republicans before the civil rights legislation.  And you seriously think white racists would vote for me?

SKIP

For one thing, you should stop interrupting these with remarks on almost every single map somebody posts.

But come on, it was obvious from the start of the FDR Presidency that the Democratic Party would one day no longer appeal to deep southerners. Those were not only Barry Goldwater Repub. states, but also Wallace states and there's no question they would go for you two. Not only because you and ElectionsGuy are much more hawkish than me or Snowstalker is or the bout with civil rights at the time, but in all honestly do you really think that Dixie would vote for a Democratic establishment, economically and socially liberal gay northern guy and pretty much a socialist from Pennsylvania? They would rather want me dead at that time than they would their President. Let's be serious here....

First, George Wallace was a Democrat.  I think it's more likely he would run against both of us as an Independent (like he did IRL.)  Second, the notion that someone as strongly pro-civil rights as me would win in the Deep South in 1968 is comical.  Maybe in the Outer South, which was already oving toward the GOP before the civil rights movement, but not there.  Economic issues, anti-communism, and in-migration had much more to do with the shift than race.

In case you didn't notice, your PM score shows you as socially conservative while I'm more socially liberal than you. The traditional South would approve of you more that way for sure and would get solid approval for your foreign policy stance I mentioned in the map.

And yes, Wallace was a Democrat, but barely. Goldwater was a very conservative politician early on socially and economically while you could also consider Wallace socially conservative given all the BS he pulled as Governor of Alabama. An earlier version of Goldwater would have done the same thing because he was against civil rights just like him. Interestingly enough, both of them would go on to realize the errors of their ways later on in life.

But the fact that you think I would most likely carry Wallace/Goldwater states compared to you is a joke. Like I said before, the deep South would rather prefer me dead back in 1968 than they would want me in office. The outer South on the other hand while they lost Democratic influence faster, would be more tolerable with my political views. Virginia would have taken me any day over a state like Alabama back then.

[H. Ross Peron]

2024 US Presidential Election

After the disastrous Chris Christie presidency, American politics shifted radically to the left as the recession returned with a vengence in 2018 and the alliance of centrist, "serious people" Republicans and Democrats imposed harsh austerity measures and entitlement reform. One of the leading voices of this new movement to the left was Governor Adam Fitzgerald of Ohio who led the new burgeoning Social Democratic movement in the Democratic Party. He easily gained the nomination in 2024 and chose to balance the ticket Senator Mung Beans of California who was seen as a hawk and slightly more socially conservative but still dedicated to economic reform. Meanwhile the Republican Party had shifted radically and been taken over by a burgeoning "National Cogendist" movement which preached protectionism, anti-immigration rhetoric, and foreign policy isolationism but also became more willing to intervene in economic matters. The leader of this movement was Senator Snowstalker of Pennsylvania who like a certain Italian a century before had undertaken a significant shift in his views from socialism towards a more nationalistic ideology. Famous for his March to Washington of his blue-shirted National Cogendist Volunteer Corps, he managed to easily win the nomination for President. As a minor concession to the old guard of the GOP, he nominated the centre-right, Representative Oldiesfreak of Michigan as Vice President. This ticket thus became the first all non-white major party ticket in American history. The election campaign was spirited with FitzGerald denouncing Snowstalker as a "fascist" who would bring tyranny to the United States while Snowstalker argued that FitzGerald was a moderate and especially condemned his running-mate as representative of the old political order. Snowstalker succedeed in forging a hitherto unusual coalition of working-class whites in both the North and South along with blacks, the far right, and the far left. FitzGerald by contrast did best with middle-class voters and professionals. The election campaign saw much violence with numerous allegations of murders and violence at polling places along with fraud. Noentheless when the votes were finally counted, FitzGerald narrowly won Florida and Wisconsin (while still losing the closely contested states of Florida and Illinois) and thus won the election to become the 46th President of the United States of America.

Governor Adam FitzGerald (D-OH)/Senator Mung Beans (D-CA)-270 EVs,
Senator Snowstalker (R-PA)/Representative Oldiesfreak (R-MI)-268 EVs

[New_Conservative]

New_Conservative [R-MA]/OldiesFreak [R-MI] 289 EV
National Progressive [D-CA]/ Adam Fitzgerald [D-MO] 249 EV

[Goldwater]

U.S. Army General Mung Beans (D-CA) / Senator Adam FitzGerald (D-OH) - 290 EVs
Governor Branden Cordeiro (R-MA) / Senator Mick Goldwater (R-WA) - 248 EVs