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« on: July 24, 2013, 01:17:57 AM »

Tough sentences and no parole works.
Tough statutes and sentences; but also re-entry programs.
Make the U.S. gang-free with tougher penalties and prevention.
Protect the police union.
Hire more minorities in the police force.
Amber Alert System is great.
More funding for law enforcement.
Abolish death penalty as inhumane.
Focus juvenile justice on workforce training.
Form a victim's bill of rights.
Abolish parole.
No presidential involvement in executions.
Implement a national Three Strikes Law.
Implement flexible Federal Block Grants for crime programs.
Try juvenile felons as adults.

Alright, so let's talk about the justice sy
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 02:21:03 AM »

you're a big drinker bro?
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 08:35:19 AM »

Tough sentences and no parole works.
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No. The police union is a bunch of bullies.
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Hire the best cops regardless of color.
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No, its not. It creates hysteria.
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The US is too far in debt.
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"Thou shalt not kill." I agree.
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No. People need to stop thinking of themselves as victims.
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Agree. Childhood is a social construct. We should consider everyone adults and make age of consent and voting age 0.


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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 08:37:29 AM »

I'll pass on your police state masturbation fantasy, thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 02:33:01 PM »

I'll pass on your police state masturbation fantasy, thanks.

You mean you still think it should be illegal to foot tap in a stall?
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 09:54:18 PM »

I agree with you concerning Amber Alert, the death penalty, and (to some extent) police unions but am otherwise a bit uneasy about the remaining provisions. The importance of deterrence in a criminal justice system is not lost upon me, of course, but for me at least restorative justice holds truer than its retributive counterpart.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 11:43:16 AM »

I agree with you concerning Amber Alert, the death penalty, and (to some extent) police unions but am otherwise a bit uneasy about the remaining provisions. The importance of deterrence in a criminal justice system is not lost upon me, of course, but for me at least restorative justice holds truer than its retributive counterpart.

Are you against mandatory sentencing?
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 12:11:33 PM »

I have not really made up my mind about it because it is an area of policy I have not studied sufficiently to develop a well-informed decision. As a first impression, however, I lean toward opposition on grounds of the criminal justice system being capable of screwing over morally excellent people who had isolated lapses in sound judgement versus relatively vicious folk who present a greater long-term threat to both themselves and others. People who show themselves to be such a threat need to be isolated from the rest of society - not as a punishment so much as a measure of last resort if they are not responding favorably to attempts at rehabilitation and reintegration. Mandatory sentencing seems to get in the way of bringing victims and offenders together to flexibly work out their grievances and settle on what needs to happen moving ahead.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2013, 02:17:23 PM »

I have not really made up my mind about it because it is an area of policy I have not studied sufficiently to develop a well-informed decision. As a first impression, however, I lean toward opposition on grounds of the criminal justice system being capable of screwing over morally excellent people who had isolated lapses in sound judgement versus relatively vicious folk who present a greater long-term threat to both themselves and others. People who show themselves to be such a threat need to be isolated from the rest of society - not as a punishment so much as a measure of last resort if they are not responding favorably to attempts at rehabilitation and reintegration. Mandatory sentencing seems to get in the way of bringing victims and offenders together to flexibly work out their grievances and settle on what needs to happen moving ahead.

You are absolutely correct and who better to teach you about successful crime than those who have been there before and spent time in and out of jail their whole lives. Aside from practicality, mandatory sentencing removes power from the judiciary system and puts it in the hands of the legislative system. It actually mandates a lack of judgment rather than letting judges use judgment.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 05:48:57 PM »

. . . Aside from practicality, mandatory sentencing removes power from the judiciary system and puts it in the hands of the legislative system. It actually mandates a lack of judgment rather than letting judges use judgment.

But why is that desirable?
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2013, 06:57:55 PM »

. . . Aside from practicality, mandatory sentencing removes power from the judiciary system and puts it in the hands of the legislative system. It actually mandates a lack of judgment rather than letting judges use judgment.

But why is that desirable?

Neither of us think it's desirable other than on a case by case basis.
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