Ed Schultz: "Republican Politices led Detroit to become a Conservative Utopia"

[ElectionsGuy]

MSNBC pundit Ed Schultz blames republican policies for Detroit going bankrupt, even though cities like this have been ruled by democrats, theblaze has an article and the video here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/07/22/ed-schultz-on-why-detroit-went-bankrupt-the-city-became-a-conservative-utopia/

What's your reaction to this?

[Napoleon]

posting links from the blaze? ban.

And Ed Schultz is a moron (hence, weekends now).

[ElectionsGuy]

I literally just found this by searching on google, most articles I find from all over the place, from NYTimes to RealClearPolitics. So it may be biased but its not like there's no liberal articles all over the place too!

[tik 🪀✨]

Detroit's bankruptcy is complicated, its reasons many, and anyone saying it's 100% the fault of any one thing has destroyed their own credibility on the subject.

[Cory]

Yes, neo-liberal economics ruined Detroit. Just like they ruined many other localities in America.

Congrats, Libertarians.

[traininthedistance]

I would, of course, posit that the main reason for Detroit's decline is suburban sprawl.  Which was especially bad in Detroit because a) it's the Motor City, of course you're going to build your environment in such a way as to encourage enslavement to the automobile, and b) a particularly ugly history of racial tensions and white flight.

They lived by the car, and now they die by the car.

[The Free North]

Yes, neo-liberal economics ruined Detroit. Just like they ruined many other localities in America.

Congrats, Libertarians.

Because libertarians had so much political clout in detroit over the past 50 years.

[Bandit3 the Worker]

Detroit didn't go bankrupt until the Republican emergency mangler came along.

[barfbag]

There are no Republicans in Detroit. MSNBC has proven themselves worthless once again.

[Link]

There are no Republicans in Detroit. MSNBC has proven themselves worthless once again.

Detroit did not go bankrupt solely because of what was going on within it's city limits.  Are you smoking something?

I didn't see or hear what Schultz said but I assume he was referring to outsourcing, imports, and the ever increasing pay disparity.  The problem is complex and I can't just blame Republican policies for it but that is a million times more reasonable than claiming all the causes exist in the city limits of Detroit.

[Link]

The most important factors behind the city's decline - including sprawl, residential segregation, and extremely high inequality, just to name a few - are the result of policies favored by mainstream Republicans and Democrats across the country.

And the elephant in the room.  The decline of the US auto industry which itself had many causes that were quite external to the city.

Even an enlightened and far-sighted despot subject to no political constraints could not have saved the city.

This.  EVERY city is corrupt.  A lot of things like cities and even companies survive in spite of themselves.  Not because some glorious genius is at the wheel.  Look at Texas.  Remeber how certain blue avatars told us about the "Texas Miracle"?  What happened when we scrutinized the "miracle" worker?

[Indy Texas]

Yes, neo-liberal economics ruined Detroit. Just like they ruined many other localities in America.

Congrats, Libertarians.

I'll tell you what ruined Detroit.






How dare the evil consumers desire cars that aren't ugly, badly built pieces of crap and turn to other countries to get them.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

You know, Birmingham and Coventry have also had difficult thirds-of-a-century for similar changes-in-the-car-industry related reasons but neither could be confused for Mumford's Necropolis, unlike Detroit.

[tpfkaw]

"Laser-accurate quality fits."

lol

http://www.hulu.com/watch/3526

[Hatman 🍁]

You know, Birmingham and Coventry have also had difficult thirds-of-a-century for similar changes-in-the-car-industry related reasons but neither could be confused for Mumford's Necropolis, unlike Detroit.

Right. Just look at another car-town- Windsor, ON which is right across the river from Detroit. They've fallen on hard times too, but nothing like Detroit.

[cheesepizza]

Ed Schultz is clearly just a partisan hack who will blame everything on Republicans, even if his argument is absolutely absurd.  As John Stossel pointed out poignantly on the O'Reilly Factor yesterday, Detroit went bankrupt because it grew government at a faster rate than the economy.  Obama and the liberals' refusal to support a balanced-budget amendment, or any significant entitlement reforms, will cause this country to follow a similar track.

[Indy Texas]

http://www.hulu.com/watch/3526

"I AM A DIVISION MANAGER IN CHARGE OF 29 PEOPLE! I DRIVE A DODGE STRATUS!"

[© tweed]

I got an e-mail from a Trotskyist organisation today, about how I should oppose the "bankers' dictatorship" in Detroit, so, he's probably right.

[Franknburger]

You know, Birmingham and Coventry have also had difficult thirds-of-a-century for similar changes-in-the-car-industry related reasons but neither could be confused for Mumford's Necropolis, unlike Detroit.

Right. Just look at another car-town- Windsor, ON which is right across the river from Detroit. They've fallen on hard times too, but nothing like Detroit.

But you may also look at three car towns that are obviously on the winning side right now, namely Munich (BMW), Stuttgart (Mercedes Benz) and Wolfsburg (Volkswagen), and ask yourself what went different there. Aside from the gasoline tax-> innovation push effect, a few things coming to mind are:
- A strong focus on education for minorities (Turkish immigrants in the German case) as a relevant portion of the local labour force, especially from the manufacturers' side, but also from local & state government, with effects both on the social and the product quality sides;
- Cluster initiatives to link local small business with the big manufacturers and support economic diversification;
- Strong R&D cooperation with local / regional Technical Universities, supported and encouraged by the respective state governments,
- Car company engagement in local sponsoring and city marketing (VW: sponsorship of the VfL Wolfsburg football team, organising local rock concerts, e.g. Rolling Stones; Mercedes Benz Stuttgart Tennis Open, etc.);
- Linking car manufacturing to tourism development

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

I don't know what is worse-Ed Schultz or The Blaze?

[memphis]

You know, Birmingham and Coventry have also had difficult thirds-of-a-century for similar changes-in-the-car-industry related reasons but neither could be confused for Mumford's Necropolis, unlike Detroit.

Right. Just look at another car-town- Windsor, ON which is right across the river from Detroit. They've fallen on hard times too, but nothing like Detroit.

But you may also look at three car towns that are obviously on the winning side right now, namely Munich (BMW), Stuttgart (Mercedes Benz) and Wolfsburg (Volkswagen), and ask yourself what went different there. Aside from the gasoline tax-> innovation push effect, a few things coming to mind are:
- A strong focus on education for minorities (Turkish immigrants in the German case) as a relevant portion of the local labour force, especially from the manufacturers' side, but also from local & state government, with effects both on the social and the product quality sides;
- Cluster initiatives to link local small business with the big manufacturers and support economic diversification;
- Strong R&D cooperation with local / regional Technical Universities, supported and encouraged by the respective state governments,
- Car company engagement in local sponsoring and city marketing (VW: sponsorship of the VfL Wolfsburg football team, organising local rock concerts, e.g. Rolling Stones; Mercedes Benz Stuttgart Tennis Open, etc.);
- Linking car manufacturing to tourism development

German cars are considered very flashy status symbols in the US. How are American cars viewed over there?

[barfbag]

Ed Schultz is a partisan hack apparently. Right, all those hundreds of conservatives who have been elected to office in the city of Detroit. Sure..... I've been in Detroit and I was the only Republican in the city.

[dead0man]

Excellent spin in this thread.  4 out of 5 stars.  Would read again.

German cars are considered very flashy status symbols in the US. How are American cars viewed over there?

From watching Top Gear, mostly as jokes (as they should be).  I think everybody likes Jeeps though (if you're into that kind of thing).  But VW aren't considered flashy here, or particularly dependable ('cause they ain't).

[tpfkaw]

As far as I can tell, Ford has a good reputation, although it produces nearly all its European products in Europe, Opel (German GM subsidiary) is basically seen the same way as Chrysler is in America, mediocre products compared to VW and Ford.  Cars which are actually imported from America are unpopular and are considered to be mostly driven by eccentrics.  I suppose the American equivalent would be SAAB or perhaps Subaru.

[Queen Mum Inks.LWC]

Detroit didn't go bankrupt until the Republican emergency mangler came along.

They filed bankruptcy under Kevin Orr.  The city would've been out of money if you would've appointed anybody... Reagan, FDR, Hillary Clinton, Ron Paul... it wouldn't have mattered.