US with Canadian Ridings

[Gass3268]

Wyoming


All five districts are very Republican and all are pretty white.

Some names:

Yellow: Jackson-Cody-Lander
Red: Sheridan-Gillette
Purple: Casper-Powder River
Green: Red Desert-Medicine Bow
Blue: Cheyenne-Platte-Goshen
 

Laramie would be in the Green riding's name. It's the 3rd largest city in Wyoming and home to their University.

[MaxQue]

It would be pretty neat to find a single politician who could be for each riding. For example, I could see Eleanor Holmes Norton taking Washington-Anacostia etc.

How many people are needed per riding in Canada?

Around 110,000, for now.

[Hatman 🍁]

Wyoming


All five districts are very Republican and all are pretty white.

Some names:

Yellow: Jackson-Cody-Lander
Red: Sheridan-Gillette
Purple: Casper-Powder River
Green: Red Desert-Medicine Bow
Blue: Cheyenne-Platte-Goshen
 

Laramie would be in the Green riding's name. It's the 3rd largest city in Wyoming and home to their University.

I purposely left it out, because Cheyenne is in Laramie County.

[MaxQue]

Maine, 12 ridings. Results are from 2008.

1-Blue: Aroostook-Washington: 93.9% White, 52.4% Obama
2-Green: Bangor: 94.1% White, 53.3% Obama
3-Dark Magenta: Somerset-Penobscot-Piscataquis: 96.5% White, 49.1% Obama

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Right for first question, Earl answered your other one.

4-Red: Oxford-Franklin: 96.3% White, 57.1% Obama
5-Gold: Hancock-Waldo: 96.4% White, 56.4% Obama
6-Teal: Knox-Sagadahoc-Lincoln: 96.3% White, 57.3% Obama
7-Dark Gray: Waterville-Augusta-Kennebec: 95.2% White, 57.2% Obama

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I prefer to add it, since Kennebek River covers more than the county.

8-Slate Blue: Lewiston-Auburn: 91.9% White, 56.5% Obama

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Probably not.

9-Cyan: York South: 95.4% White, 62.3% Obama

10-Deep Pink: York North-Gorham: 95.9% White, 55.0% Obama

11-Chartreuse: Windham-Falmouth-Brunswick: 94.4% White, 60.4% Obama

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Most probably.

12-Cornflower Blue: Portland-Scarborough-Cape Elizabeth: 87.5% White, 71.1% Obama

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Yes, but it's not a reason to excluse smaller settlements, expecially as not Portland suburbs are included.

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I need to check before answering that.

[Gass3268]

Wyoming


All five districts are very Republican and all are pretty white.

Some names:

Yellow: Jackson-Cody-Lander
Red: Sheridan-Gillette
Purple: Casper-Powder River
Green: Red Desert-Medicine Bow
Blue: Cheyenne-Platte-Goshen
 

Laramie would be in the Green riding's name. It's the 3rd largest city in Wyoming and home to their University.

I purposely left it out, because Cheyenne is in Laramie County.

So the idea would be to prevent confusion? Do you have a link to the rules for naming or would you mind giving an overview?

[MaxQue]

Yes, with 13, the logical map includes 3 districts fully included into Cumberland. No district is in both Cumberland and another district.

However, Kennebec must now be breached.

[Hatman 🍁]

Wyoming


All five districts are very Republican and all are pretty white.

Some names:

Yellow: Jackson-Cody-Lander
Red: Sheridan-Gillette
Purple: Casper-Powder River
Green: Red Desert-Medicine Bow
Blue: Cheyenne-Platte-Goshen
 

Laramie would be in the Green riding's name. It's the 3rd largest city in Wyoming and home to their University.

I purposely left it out, because Cheyenne is in Laramie County.

So the idea would be to prevent confusion? Do you have a link to the rules for naming or would you mind giving an overview?

There's no real rules, just conventions.

[Gass3268]

Wyoming


All five districts are very Republican and all are pretty white.

Some names:

Yellow: Jackson-Cody-Lander
Red: Sheridan-Gillette
Purple: Casper-Powder River
Green: Red Desert-Medicine Bow
Blue: Cheyenne-Platte-Goshen
 

Laramie would be in the Green riding's name. It's the 3rd largest city in Wyoming and home to their University.

I purposely left it out, because Cheyenne is in Laramie County.

So the idea would be to prevent confusion? Do you have a link to the rules for naming or would you mind giving an overview?

There's no real rules, just conventions.

What are those conventions? I have and idea but I would like to be able to do this without making any foolish mistakes.

[Hatman 🍁]

From Wikipedia:

Electoral district names are usually geographic in nature, and chosen to represent the community or region within the electoral district boundaries. Where a federal district's name includes more than one geographic designation, it is properly denoted with an em dash (—) between each distinct geographic name, for example Toronto—Danforth and Ancaster—Dundas—Flamborough—Westdale (but Cape Breton—Canso, not Cape–Breton–Canso, as "Cape Breton" is a single geographic name.) Where a single geographic name contains a hyphen, that is also not replaced by an en dash (e.g., Saint-Hyacinthe—Bagot, not Saint–Hyacinthe–Bagot; Saint-Lambert, not Saint–Lambert.) Where a district's name includes a geographic designation and an ordinal direction (e.g., Calgary Centre), there is generally no punctuation between the two words or phrases.

Some electoral districts in Quebec are named for historical figures rather than geography (e.g., Louis-Hébert, Honoré-Mercier); these contain hyphens between the words, not em dashes. Similarly in Alberta provincial districts mix geographic names with those of historical personages (e.g., Edmonton-Decore after Laurence Decore, Calgary-Lougheed after Peter Lougheed and James Alexander Lougheed). This practice is no longer employed in the other provinces and territories.[2]

Some ridings, especially ridings with large numbers of both francophone and anglophone voters, may be named or punctuated differently in English and French. The Manitoba riding of Saint Boniface, for example, is referred to in French as "Saint-Boniface", with a hyphen.

Depending on local convention, however, provincial electoral districts may use a hyphen instead of an em dash in this context.

[Linus Van Pelt]

In general, in the east, you can err on the side of including more counties, even at the cost of making the riding name unwieldy. Though in a few cases, the commission can propose a simple name in the first proposal, only to change it to a more inclusive and complicated name after a small number of complaints at the public hearing from people in the outlying rural areas.

In resource-rich states of the interior west, ridings can be named just after the main city, even if they contain a lot of rural territory.

There should be a few ridings in the outer boroughs of New York with geographical directions in their name that date from much larger iterations of the riding when the area was still rural and no longer make any sense at all.

In southern Louisiana, a few ridings chosen at random should be named non-geographically, after notable historical politicians. And one riding in a generic suburb of New Orleans should be named after a modernist painter that few people in the riding are likely to have heard of.

[Hatman 🍁]

Would love a riding called "Huey Long"

There should be a few ridings in the outer boroughs of New York with geographical directions in their name that date from much larger iterations of the riding when the area was still rural and no longer make any sense at all.

FTR he is referring to riding names like York West, York Centre and York South-Weston in Toronto.

[Smid]

Remember, directionals almost always come after the place name. And are usually dropped entirely from county names. (eg Glengarry-Prescott-Russell is not Glengarry North-Prescott-Russell)

I think I read somewhere (although I may be confusing it with over here, however I think the naming convention is generally the same for directionals), directionals always come after the place name. The only time it would appear to come first, is in the case where the place name already contains a directional... ie, "Beaches -- East York" is named after a place named "East York" as opposed to the Eastern part of York. That's my understanding, anyway, I could be wrong.

[Хahar 🤔]

That would be correct, yes.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Here is Vermont. I hope it is good, this was my first serious attempt at using Dave's app.




Blue-Burlington-Champlain
Green-Middlebury-Essex Junction-Fairfax
Purple-Saint Albans-Johnson-East Lyndon
Red-Montpelier-Waterbury
Teal-Rutland-Hartford
Yellow-Bennington-Manchester Center-Rockingham

Burlington-Champlain.
Total Voters: 86,179.
Obama: 73.8%, McCain: 24.6%, Other: 1.6%.
91.5% White.
MP: Bernie Sanders (Progressive)

Middlebury-Essex Junction-Fairfax.
Total Voters: 79,372.
Obama: 66.5%, McCain 32.1%, Other: 1.4%.
94.9% White.
MP: Tim Jerman (Democratic)

Saint Albans-Johnson-East Lyndon.
Total Voters: 81,332.
Obama: 62.3%, McCain: 36.0%, Other 1.7%.
96.0% White.
MP: Kathleen Keenan (Democratic)

Montpelier-Waterbury.
Total Voters: 82,634.
Obama: 68.6%, McCain 29.6%, Other: 1.8%.
96.2% White.
MP: Anthony Pollina (Progressive)

Rutland-Hartford.
Total Voters: 82,607.
Obama: 66.2%, McCain 32.2%, Other: 1.6%.
95.9% White.
MP: Herb Russell (Democratic)

Bennington-Manchester Center-Rockingham.
Total Voters: 84,384.
Obama 68.4%, McCain 29.8%, Other 1.8%.
96.0% White.
MP: Bill Botzow (Democratic)

[Hatman 🍁]

Remember, directionals almost always come after the place name. And are usually dropped entirely from county names. (eg Glengarry-Prescott-Russell is not Glengarry North-Prescott-Russell)

I think I read somewhere (although I may be confusing it with over here, however I think the naming convention is generally the same for directionals), directionals always come after the place name. The only time it would appear to come first, is in the case where the place name already contains a directional... ie, "Beaches -- East York" is named after a place named "East York" as opposed to the Eastern part of York. That's my understanding, anyway, I could be wrong.

One exception is South Surrey-White Rock.

[Gass3268]

Here is Vermont. I hope it is good, this was my first serious attempt at using Dave's app.




Blue-Burlington-Champlain
Green-Middlebury-Essex Junction-Fairfax
Purple-Saint Albans-Johnson-East Lyndon
Red-Montpelier-Waterbury
Teal-Rutland-Hartford
Yellow-Bennington-Manchester Center-Rockingham

Burlington-Champlain.
Total Voters: 86,179.
Obama: 73.8%, McCain: 24.6%, Other: 1.6%.
91.5% White.
MP: Bernie Sanders (Progressive)

Middlebury-Essex Junction-Fairfax.
Total Voters: 79,372.
Obama: 66.5%, McCain 32.1%, Other: 1.4%.
94.9% White.
MP: Tim Jerman (Democratic)

Saint Albans-Johnson-East Lyndon.
Total Voters: 81,332.
Obama: 62.3%, McCain: 36.0%, Other 1.7%.
96.0% White.
MP: Kathleen Keenan (Democratic)

Montpelier-Waterbury.
Total Voters: 82,634.
Obama: 68.6%, McCain 29.6%, Other: 1.8%.
96.2% White.
MP: Anthony Pollina (Progressive)

Rutland-Hartford.
Total Voters: 82,607.
Obama: 66.2%, McCain 32.2%, Other: 1.6%.
95.9% White.
MP: Herb Russell (Democratic)

Bennington-Manchester Center-Rockingham.
Total Voters: 84,384.
Obama 68.4%, McCain 29.8%, Other 1.8%.
96.0% White.
MP: Bill Botzow (Democratic)

You violated one of the biggest no-no's in Vermont by crossing the Green Mountains with multiple ridings.

[Gass3268]

Here is my take on Vermont!

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Here is my take on Vermont!

Yours looks much nicer. Its very symetrical.

If only Florida worked for Daves app, I would love to draw some South FL ridings.

[Hatman 🍁]

South Dakota


Obama won the Blue and Red ridings in 2008, but probably not in 2012. South Dakota Democrats would probably be favored in both though. The remaining ridings  are solidly Republican, but the Teal Green district is 25.3% Native America.   

Possible names:

Forest Green: West River
Grey: Black Hills
Yellow: Aberdeen-Pierre-Huron
Red: Glacial Lakes
Purple: Mitchell-Yankton-Vermillion
Blue: Minnehaha
(Light) Green: Lincoln-Canton

[jimrtex]

Maine, 12 ridings. Results are from 2008.

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I need to check before answering that.

The number of districts is fixed by the Canadian Constitution, which establishes an electoral quota.  The number of districts for a province is: ceil(population/quota), but there a bunch of hold harmless provisions that apply to all provinces except Ontario, Alberta, and British Columbia.

Each province has its own federal boundary commission, so the Maine commission would be limited to 12 districts, even if 13 fit better.

Districts must have reasonably equal population, and must be within 25%, except in extraordinary conditions of the provincial quota (eg Maine Population/12)

The Ontario commission noted that Northern Ontario was entitled to 8 districts, but had 10.  They did not invoke the extraordinary conditions clause, other than Kenora which has about 50% of the ideal.  So this meant that the other 9 had to be somewhat balanced to stay above 75%.

Canadian Redistribution

The Canadian Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution guarantees each citizen effective representation, rather than equality of representation, so factors like COI, historical districts, are also considered along with population.

In the case of Maine, other than Penobscot, the larger counties can be apportioned whole districts:

Cumberland (3) -15.2%
York (2) -11.0%
Penobscot+Somerset+Piscataquis (2) + 1.1%
Kennebec (1) +10.3%
Androscoggin (1) -2.7%

These are reasonable deviations, but there are four other groupings, for a total of 13 districts.

Maybe put Sagadahoc with Cumberland, which gives a more Brunswick-centric district.

Then Lincoln-Knox-Waldo, Hancock-Washington, Aroostook-Penobscot North, Somerset East-Piscataquis-Penobscot West, and Oxford-Franklin-Somerset East.

7 coastal and 5 interior, 8 urban and 4 rural.

[jimrtex]

What are those conventions? I have and idea but I would like to be able to do this without making any foolish mistakes.

There are 56 state and territorial commissions - though they are established by the federal government.  Virgin Islands, Northern Marianas, and American Samoa have only one district each (Guam has 2 and Puerto Rico 30+).

There don't appear to be any requirements for names in the law, other than each commission is to propose the names.

[Hatman 🍁]

Perhaps to make this more Canadian, states should not have any fewer districts than they would have had in 1984. Anyone want to figure out what the districts would be like then?

[Smid]

Additionally, DC gets a Senator, New York and Virginia get 24 Senators (as the largest of the Northern and Southern states at the time of the Civil War), all other states get 6 Senators, except for Wyoming, which gets 4, and Missouri and Iowa, which get 10. All Senators are appointed by the President, on the advice of the House Majority Leader.

[Hatman 🍁]

Why do Missouri and Iowa get 10? Wouldn't it make sense to give that distinction to eastern states?

I think if you want to emulate Canada, you have to divide the US into regions. In Canada, there are 24 Senators for the West, 24 for Ontario, 24 for Quebec and 24 for the Maritimes, plus 6 for NL which joined later.

Thus, every state that joined the union after the civil war gets 6 Senators.  You can give 100 Senators to the North, and 100 to the south and... let's say they give Washington six, Nevada 4 and California 10.

[Smid]

Why do Missouri and Iowa get 10? Wouldn't it make sense to give that distinction to eastern states?

I think if you want to emulate Canada, you have to divide the US into regions. In Canada, there are 24 Senators for the West, 24 for Ontario, 24 for Quebec and 24 for the Maritimes, plus 6 for NL which joined later.

Thus, every state that joined the union after the civil war gets 6 Senators.  You can give 100 Senators to the North, and 100 to the south and... let's say they give Washington six, Nevada 4 and California 10.

I was just trying to capture the seeming randomness of the Canadian Senate. More an attempt at humour than a serious contribution.