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Question: What does it mean to you?
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proud emblem of Southern heritage
 
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dark symbol of slavery and segregation
 
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Harry
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« on: August 03, 2013, 07:13:30 PM »
« edited: August 03, 2013, 07:15:31 PM by Harry »

A symbol of traitors who tried to leave the United States for slavery.  Granted, the vast majority of Southern whites didn't own slaves, but (unless they individually stayed loyal to the Union) they did fight against the Union on behalf of the rights of the rich to own people.  Absolutely shameful.

Anyone who tries to argue "bbbbut it wasn't really about slavery!!1" is an apologist moron.

The fact that it's become the beloved symbol of Dixiecrats, the KKK, and other white supremacists should be a clue to the people who aren't sure...
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« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 08:06:13 PM »

Other:
Both the Confederate and US flags were flags of slavery.

That argument just doesn't hold any water.  Yes, the U.S. flag has flown over just as many (well, more, really) atrocities.  But the U.S. flag stands for so much more than that.

In contrast, the only relevance of the Confederacy is that it attempted to break away from the U.S. out of fears that it would lose slavery.  Perhaps if the South had won the war, gone independent, but later cleaned up its act and became a freedom-loving first world country with the same flag, the Confederate flag would not be an offensive symbol.  Maybe Confederate soldiers would have helped storm the beaches at Normandy under that flag.  But that's not what actually happened, thus the Confederate flag only stands for a few elites who wanted so badly to keep owning people that they committed treason, and the legions of impressionable poors that blindly followed them.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2013, 05:33:31 PM »

The Confederacy was formed over states' rights.
To slavery.

It was based on lifestyle, values and belief system.
Of slavery.

Its "way of life" became sacred to its adherents. Everything of the South became a moral question, commingling love of things Southern. Not only did national political parties split, but national churches and interstate. Families as well divided along sectional lines as the war approached.
Yep, a bunch of racist slaver dickbags who wanted to keep their slaves, and a much larger group of slaveless poors who wanted the slave system to continue.

To say it was all a matter of slavery is both partisan and foolish.
Partisan?  Almost every Republican and Democrat alike knows slavery caused the war.  True, many Northerners didn't necessarily fight the war to free the slaves, but slavery is the reason the South seceded.  It's explicitly stated in the secession ordinances.  Slavery was the sole reason why the North and South had different cultures and ways of life at the time.  Some apologists want to try be like "no! it was just states' rights!"  They're correct in a sense -- it was about states' rights ... to slavery.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2013, 09:15:34 PM »

Naturally the treason argument is silly; the reason that the Confederacy was evil is not that it was treasonous.

You're of course correct, but it sure does make the pro-Confederates squirm.  Remember that the people who wave Confederate flags the hardest are the people who wave American flags the hardest and are normally very offended by the idea of anyone being treasonous.
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« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2013, 11:22:49 PM »

It's 100% totally fine to have Southern pride -- it's just not OK to express it with the flag of a bunch of people who tried to form a separate country to keep their slaves.
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