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Question: What does it mean to you?
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proud emblem of Southern heritage
 
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dark symbol of slavery and segregation
 
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True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
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« on: August 03, 2013, 07:35:23 PM »

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Both the Confederate and US flags were flags of slavery.  Tho the civil war was fought because of excessive Southern fears that the Republicans would attempt to end the peculiar institution. (Without the Civil War, slavery would have lasted at least another twenty years in the US and might well have continued into the 20th century.) Originally it was a proud symbol of southern heritage, but it became enmeshed in the segregation fight of the 50s and 60s and ever since then it has primarily been a dark symbol of segregation and white supremacy.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2013, 02:36:06 PM »

What most people don't know about history is that the first slave owner in our country was a black man from Massachusetts.
  Maybe because it isn't true?  Care to provide a source for your claim?  Now according to the Wiki, the first recognized slave owner in the English colonies was indeed a black man, Anthony Johnson, but he was in Virginia.

That said, the main reason that slavery prospered in the South and yet withered and was eventually abolished in the North had much more to do with circumstances than moral fortitude. The Southern colonies proved favorable to the development of plantation agriculture with crops such as tobacco, indigo, and rice that could be profitably cultivated with slave labor and widely traded.  The Northern colonies by contrast were not so well suited in land or climate for plantation agriculture.  Thus they never had much incentive to transform their system of indentured servitude to full fledged slavery.
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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 12:21:07 AM »

What most people don't know about history is that the first slave owner in our country was a black man from Massachusetts.
  Maybe because it isn't true?  Care to provide a source for your claim?  Now according to the Wiki, the first recognized slave owner in the English colonies was indeed a black man, Anthony Johnson, but he was in Virginia.

That said, the main reason that slavery prospered in the South and yet withered and was eventually abolished in the North had much more to do with circumstances than moral fortitude. The Southern colonies proved favorable to the development of plantation agriculture with crops such as tobacco, indigo, and rice that could be profitably cultivated with slave labor and widely traded.  The Northern colonies by contrast were not so well suited in land or climate for plantation agriculture.  Thus they never had much incentive to transform their system of indentured servitude to full fledged slavery.

Other than being wrong about the state which the first slave owner in our colonies was from, you have backed me up. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one on here who knows his history. If only Democrats knew why the north was "against" slavery. They have to turn everything into a race issue for their own benefit.

Actually, I suspect that the reason he was the first recognized slave owner is that being black, he had to go to court to prove he owned his slaves.  Likely there were other white slave owners at the time who didn't have their right of ownership contested.
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2013, 04:02:32 PM »

It's 100% totally fine to have Southern pride -- it's just not OK to express it with the flag of a bunch of people who tried to form a separate country to keep their slaves.

Maybe they're fans of the Dukes of Hazzard or the Haunted Tank?
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2013, 03:58:00 AM »

It's 100% totally fine to have Southern pride -- it's just not OK to express it with the flag of a bunch of people who tried to form a separate country to keep their slaves.

Maybe they're fans of the Dukes of Hazzard or the Haunted Tank?

You're a fellow southerner. What are your thoughts on the Confederate Flag?

Southerner by birth, but not breeding.  My parents were Yankees who had moved south and my ancestors were Canadians and Dutchmen at the time of the war.  The South could use a symbol less tainted with the heritage of slavery than the Flag, but there isn't one.
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« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2014, 07:57:38 PM »

While many who served in the Confederate Army did so not to defend slavery, but their homes, that does not change the fact that no matter how much its defenders try to sugarcoat the issue, the Confederate States of America came into existing for only one reason, to defend the institution of race-based slavery.  While there certainly were other disputes between north and south, largely based on the different needs of a slave-based economy and one based on free men, those who declared independence in 1860 and 1861 did not suffer from the delusion that there was any other issue save slavery that caused them to attempt a revolution.
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« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2014, 10:43:27 PM »

I find it incredibly ironic that Democrats are the first to complain about it when they were the party that supported slavery, segregation, and the Confederacy when they existed.
What's even more ironic is that if those Democrats were alive today, they'd almost all be Republicans.
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