SENATE BILL: Amendment to The Productivity Equalization....Act (Failed)
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 23, 2024, 02:25:13 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Elections
  Atlas Fantasy Government (Moderators: Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee, Lumine)
  SENATE BILL: Amendment to The Productivity Equalization....Act (Failed)
« previous next »
Pages: [1] 2
Author Topic: SENATE BILL: Amendment to The Productivity Equalization....Act (Failed)  (Read 1386 times)
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: August 09, 2013, 11:32:55 AM »
« edited: September 01, 2013, 06:56:47 PM by Senator North Carolina Yankee »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Sponsor: TNF
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2013, 12:20:48 PM »

Basically what this Amendment seeks to do is entrench the 32 hour workweek across the whole of Atlasian society and provide more money for those who work longer hours, i.e. further overtime compensation. This bill will give more workers in Atlasia more free time, more pay if they work longer hours, and will generally help to reduce the stressors and problems of day to day life that accompany the 'working life' to quote Mr. Springsteen. Tongue

Though I will admit that the time limits posted here are off because of when I introduced the bill, so I'll be offering the following amendment to remedy the situation:

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2013, 07:37:05 AM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours to object.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2013, 08:46:15 AM »

Another Bill whose intentions I respect, but I think will be unworkable in application.
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2013, 10:12:03 AM »

Another Bill whose intentions I respect, but I think will be unworkable in application.

How? We already have a 32 hour workweek.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2013, 10:45:46 AM »

Another Bill whose intentions I respect, but I think will be unworkable in application.

How? We already have a 32 hour workweek.

I wasn't clear, what I mean is, have we any idea what the impacts would be on small businesses? I'm not too concerned about large or medium enterprises but have we got any evidence of the bottom-line impacts?

My primary concern is that employees are properly and appropriately compensated for work beyond normal hours, but this consideration can't be ignored.

I can see myself supporting this, as long as I get some data, this can't be about an ideological want in isolation from the economic realities.
Logged
Napoleon
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 14,892


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2013, 11:07:11 AM »

Yeah I'm in the same camp as Polnut on this one.
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2013, 10:07:58 AM »

Another Bill whose intentions I respect, but I think will be unworkable in application.

How? We already have a 32 hour workweek.

I wasn't clear, what I mean is, have we any idea what the impacts would be on small businesses? I'm not too concerned about large or medium enterprises but have we got any evidence of the bottom-line impacts?

My primary concern is that employees are properly and appropriately compensated for work beyond normal hours, but this consideration can't be ignored.

I can see myself supporting this, as long as I get some data, this can't be about an ideological want in isolation from the economic realities.

I'll speak with Griffin on the matter and report back to you on this, Senator.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2013, 11:31:50 AM »

The amendment has been adopted.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2013, 01:03:44 PM »

Has Griffin responded yet?
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2013, 05:08:41 PM »


As far as I know he's yet to respond with the numbers.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2013, 11:22:42 PM »

Can we consider delaying further action on this Bill until we can get a clear economic impact.
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2013, 06:08:21 AM »

Can we consider delaying further action on this Bill until we can get a clear economic impact.

At this point all we're waiting on is Griffin's numbers. I don't think that should mean we remove this legislation from the floor or anything of the sort if that's what's being suggested.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2013, 06:17:10 AM »

Its lovely to discuss this, but I'm not comfortable proceeding until we have a clearer idea. Hopefully Griffin can get us the numbers
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2013, 01:13:20 PM »

Has Griffin responded yet?
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2013, 12:23:37 AM »

I don't believe so... as I said, we can talk about its merits until the cows come home... but it doesn't help make an informed decision.
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: August 19, 2013, 06:10:15 AM »

Still nothing from Griffin, though to be fair, he said this one was going to take a bit. Hopefully we can get those numbers by the end of the week.
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2013, 07:31:55 PM »

From GM Griffin:


The proposed legislation would directly impact 25.4% of the Atlasian workforce. This - excluding other economic factors and potential future legislation - would result in an estimated 1.4% decrease in median wages over the next twelve months, and a 2.5% decrease in median wages over the next five years.

The rate of unemployment would not be impacted in any significant regard in the short-term as businesses with more than 50 employees adjust to the new regulations, but a general trend in the decline of unemployment is expected over the next five years as smaller companies increasingly move to build their workforces around an increased number of employees working less than 35 hours per week.

The average workweek for private non-farm payrolls is estimated to decline 0.7 hours over the next twelve months, with goods-producing payrolls declining 1.1 hours and private service-providing payrolls declining 0.6 hours. Over a five-year period, those numbers are estimated as declines of 1.4, 1.9 and 1.3, respectively.

Industry sectors estimated to be impacted the most by this legislation include mining and logging, utility companies, durable and non-durable goods manufacturing, and wholesale trade. Industry sectors estimated to be least impacted by this legislation include leisure and hospitality, retail trade and education/health services.
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2013, 07:35:30 PM »

Hmmm... this doesn't make my decision any easier, or clearer.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2013, 02:01:09 PM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #20 on: August 22, 2013, 02:04:54 PM »

Any final areas of concern?
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2013, 02:56:53 PM »

I may propose a requisite pay increase requirement to compensate for lost wages here, but I'll do that at some point later tonight. I apologize, it's kind of hard to do that kind of number crunching from an iPad Tongue
Logged
Fmr President & Senator Polnut
polnut
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 19,489
Australia


Political Matrix
E: -2.71, S: -5.22

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #22 on: August 23, 2013, 12:30:24 AM »

I may propose a requisite pay increase requirement to compensate for lost wages here, but I'll do that at some point later tonight. I apologize, it's kind of hard to do that kind of number crunching from an iPad Tongue

So... the Bill would likely lead to some lower wages... so you want to add to make sure that the wage losses are covered?

Aren't you kind of making this increasingly complex, especially since the impacts will be sector by sector.
Logged
TNF
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 13,440


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2013, 06:50:17 AM »

I may propose a requisite pay increase requirement to compensate for lost wages here, but I'll do that at some point later tonight. I apologize, it's kind of hard to do that kind of number crunching from an iPad Tongue

So... the Bill would likely lead to some lower wages... so you want to add to make sure that the wage losses are covered?

Aren't you kind of making this increasingly complex, especially since the impacts will be sector by sector.

I don't think requiring a percentage wage increase across industry to make up for lost wages is a complex concept.

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Basically how Subsection 3 of Section 4 will work is that it will force companies to share productivity gains with their workforce. If the economy as a whole has a 5% increase in productivity for 2013, that should mean a 5% increase in the minimum wage.
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderator
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #24 on: August 23, 2013, 04:35:04 PM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.

Sponsor Feedback: Origination
Status: Senators have 24 hours object.
Logged
Pages: [1] 2  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.057 seconds with 12 queries.