SENATE BILL: Atlasian Senior Care Act (Law'd)

[Maxwell]

Well if that's how you keant it then I apologize for taking it wrong but I don't know, you've been the same way in two other threads....

Next time I won't pretend to know the authors intent.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Shouldn't it say Age limits mentioned "in" as opposed to "on", or am I missing something?

[Maxwell]

I fixed it Yank, I think you're right on that, but "on" i don't think changes its meaning that drastically.

[Napoleon]

The amendment is accepted.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The amendment has been adopted.

[Maxwell]

Should we wait for the GM to inaugurate to do a cost analysis? This looks okay minus that little extra bit of information.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Joyce just got confirmed. I hate to overload him, but we have waited here quite awhile. I am going to PM him later and see if I can get a time frame, or order of priority on these since we have three or four needing his immediate attention.

[Maxwell]

It's more up to Napoleon and whether he thinks it's necessary, but I would prefer if we got one.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I did PM the GM about this and the Budget last night.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

ah, Joyce?

[Donerail]

Average hospice payment of $887.78 out of pocket. Cost of hospice care per patient is $13,242.35 (NIH) Government will thus cover an average of $12354.57 per patient, given median pension size. With an estimated hospice population per year of around 1.65M (NHPCO), you run into about $20.4 billion in new spending.

[Maxwell]

Oh wow. Should we tinker with this a bit to cut costs?

[TNF]

Oh wow. Should we tinker with this a bit to cut costs?

Or amend it to raise funds for the program?

[Donerail]

Oh wow. Should we tinker with this a bit to cut costs?

Or amend it to raise funds for the program?

Or attempt to disincentivize using a traditional hospital and promote hospice care, which could generate significant cost savings, probably enough to cover the program.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have not had time to review Sjoyce's recommended material as of yet. What do my collegues who have, think about it at this point?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

What underlies the savings attained? Is it the cost of materials and supplies is lower or is it because potentially life saving treatment is being denied to these people?

[Donerail]

What underlies the savings attained? Is it the cost of materials and supplies is lower or is it because potentially life saving treatment is being denied to these people?

Focus on palliative care rather than treating the illness itself - I wouldn't call it potentially life-saving treatment because by the time hospice could be an option the person generally has about a month max to live regardless of where they go.

[bore]

20 billion dollars doesn't seem that much to me, considering what we're sorting out here.

Average hospice payment of $887.78 out of pocket. Cost of hospice care per patient is $13,242.35 (NIH) Government will thus cover an average of $12354.57 per patient, given median pension size. With an estimated hospice population per year of around 1.65M (NHPCO), you run into about $20.4 billion in new spending.

Roughly what rate will the cost rise due to demographics?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I am interested in Bore's question as well. Would not the costs also rise as more people were transition into Hospice and would this eliminate the potential savings?

[Donerail]

20 billion dollars doesn't seem that much to me, considering what we're sorting out here.

Average hospice payment of $887.78 out of pocket. Cost of hospice care per patient is $13,242.35 (NIH) Government will thus cover an average of $12354.57 per patient, given median pension size. With an estimated hospice population per year of around 1.65M (NHPCO), you run into about $20.4 billion in new spending.

Roughly what rate will the cost rise due to demographics?

Certainly healthcare costs will rise due to demographics - UAB estimates that we need to roughly triple our number of geriatricians, but that's more linked into an overall rise due to those demographic factors than with hospice specifically.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In the absence of that though, would cost savings still be attained from your recommended change and how substantial would they be?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

In the absence of the new professionals and resources, would the cost savings still be attained? What is the cost of effecting that increase in relation to the savings anticipated?

Basically, do these savings actually occur once sought or is this an elusive prospect?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I have contacted Joyce directly. I am setting timetable for this weekend's end to have a funding mechanism attached to this.