SENATE BILL: Atlasian Senior Care Act (Law'd)

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor: Napoleon

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

The sponsor has 24 hours to begin advocating for this.

[Sbane]

Funding will be an issue....

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Come on Nappy!

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

This is too important an issue to let slide. I hope Senator Napoleon can present his case, as well as, to agree with Senator Sbane on this, what the funding implications will be.

[TNF]

I'm in full support of this bill. I'm interested in seeing how much this is going to cost, but I will not dismiss the program out of hand because it might be costly; rather, those with the most ability to pay should pay the costs of this program. I propose we fund this program with a surcharge on the net worth of individuals in excess of $1 million personally, but that's just me.

[MaxQue]

Given than hospice care includes housing and food, really, they should be allowed to bill more than 5% of the income. It would be unfair for workers to pay pensions AND food/housing to retired people.

[Napoleon]

I've introduced this because too many seniors slip through the cracks without proper care. Facilities are able to care for them better than their families can. While I don't know the cost I do know its the right thing to do but hopefully we can balance it with affordability.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would recommend then getting an exact estimate on the costs so that we no what we are dealing with here.

[Napoleon]

I would recommend then getting an exact estimate on the costs so that we no what we are dealing with here.

We don't even know the costs of the law this amends. I am open to changing the cap to reduce costs.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I would recommend then getting an exact estimate on the costs so that we no what we are dealing with here.

We don't even know the costs of the law this amends. I am open to changing the cap to reduce costs.

True, but I would assume that Griffin and Nix have a good understanding courtesty of the work on the budget to get it to a more reasonable situation. I would use that as a basis if necessary, at least then we know what we are dealing with.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Will there also be some structure for couples...

[TNF]

One measure that I would like to consider is encouraging families to take care of older relatives, effectively providing Hospice care by themselves when they are able and qualified to do so. I never lived near my grandparents as a kid, but I honestly believe that bringing different generations together would be valuable for everyone involved. Society would be far better off if we didn't sequester the elderly away from the rest of us.

I would be supportive of this assuming the families in question would get financial aid for doing so. Adding another member of the family to the mix will no doubt strain the budgets of a lot of folks who already aren't making a whole lot of money.

[MaxQue]

In Canada, they have a tax credit for caregivers.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

I think this Bill is going to require a lot more work to deal with the complexities.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Would would the assistance look like, to those families who taken on care for a grandparent or older relative?

If a tax credit, then what size of a tax credit? If something else, then what exactly?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Well?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Come on people. We cannot just sit here. If we want to do something with this then lets do it.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Just to clarify... when you say 'hospice' you mean a nursing home, not the way I think of hospice, as in a palliative care facility.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Earlier it was mentioned that cost will be an issue, but we cannot even address that unless we know what approach we will be taken here to accomplish this. So, will it be tax credits or something else?

Can we expect amendments on this soon?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

This bill has set for three days and much longer than that with critical issues lingering unaddressed.

I am going to be opening a vote on this unless given a good reason not to too before I got offline.

Keep in mind that I can exit the Final Vote if provided a reasonable assurance that this situation will change (like an amendment text ready to be offered for instance) in exchange for ending it.

So how is this gonna end?

[TNF]

Offering an amendment:

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[MaxQue]

I object. 5% is insane, so 2.5% is worse. That is giving people free housing and food for 10$/month. People in hospice care will obviously have less expenses (because hospice care takes care of some needs), so it's normal than a signifcant part of their income goes to housing/food, like everyone.

It would be unfair for working people which have to work to get housing and food to give those things for free to seniors.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

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Sponsor Feedback: None Given
Status: Objection Filed by Senator MaxQue, A vote once minimum floor time expires (about 13 hours from now).

[Napoleon]

The amendment is hostile not that it matters at thisbpoint.