Q2 GDP data from Germany/France etc. suggest Eurozone recession over
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Tender Branson
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« on: August 14, 2013, 02:20:22 AM »

Strong German growth ends Euro recession

The German economy expanded more than economists predicted in the second quarter, helping a fledgling recovery in the euro area.

Gross domestic product rose 0.7 per cent from the first quarter, when it stagnated, the Federal Statistics Office in Wiesbaden said today.

Economists forecast a gain of 0.6 per cent, according to the median of 47 estimates in a Bloomberg News survey.

The French economy grew a more-than-anticipated 0.5 per cent in the second quarter, data released today showed, and GDP results for the 17-nation euro area will be published later today.

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/business/world-business/strong-german-growth-ends-euro-recession-20130814-2rwgx.html#ixzz2bvSSd8de
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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2013, 02:31:01 AM »

We actually had no recession so far in 2013:

Q2 was +0.2% against the previous quarter, while the Q1 data was revised up to +0.1% from 0.0%

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Austria's GDP increases and decreases generally lag behind the development of Germany's GDP changes by ca. 1-2 quarters. If Germany has an uptick in it's GDP, Austria will have the same upswing about 1-2 quarters later. Same with recessions. That's because Germany is our main economic trading partner and market for products.
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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2013, 02:33:19 AM »

Spanish and Italian GDP are still down in Q2, but not nearly as much as in Q1:

Spanish GDP was down by 0.1%, Italy's GDP was down by 0.2%.

Both countries' GDP was down by ca. 0.8-1.0% in Q1 though.

So, even in the struggling Eurozone-periphery the recovery takes some shape ...
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2013, 05:13:41 AM »

Alltogether, the Eurozone growth was 0.3% in Q2, after -0.3% in Q1.

Interestingly, Sweden had a negative quarter Q2:

-0.1%

The Netherlands is still not growing (-0.2%), but doing much better than in the previous quarters.

http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-14082013-AP/EN/2-14082013-AP-EN.PDF
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2013, 04:06:05 PM »

This is a technical rebound.  The latest median forecast is still for Euro area GDP to fall 0.6% in 2013 whereas UK is expected to grow 1.0%.  Still a long slog for Euro area to recover from the 2008 economic crisis. 
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 10:52:19 PM »
« Edited: August 14, 2013, 10:59:25 PM by Franknburger »

This is a technical rebound.  The latest median forecast is still for Euro area GDP to fall 0.6% in 2013 whereas UK is expected to grow 1.0%.  Still a long slog for Euro area to recover from the 2008 economic crisis.  
It is more than a technical rebound. If you look at individual member states, you see divergent regional trends:

1. Growth in the Baltics, which had seen substantial growth and unemployment decrease during the last years, is slowing down.

2. Central Europe had already long ago recovered from the 2008 economic crisis (more than 1.6 million new jobs in Germany alone since December 2010), but appeared to plunge into another recession by the end of last years. That trend has reverted. The robust German labour market demonstrates that the growth here (+0.5) is more than just technical. Alongside Germany, growth in the Czech Republic (+0.7), Poland (+0.4), Slovakia (+0.3) and even Hungary (+0.1) is picking up as well. Figures for Denmark are not yet available, but I assume them also having grown.

3. Scandinavia is pretty interesting. While non-Euro Sweden (and Norway) is stagnating, Finland is getting out of recession (+0.7). Apparently, the Euro helps to translate Central European growth impulses to them.

4. Western Europe had been between stagnation (UK) and mild (France, Belgium) to moderate (Spain, Netherlands) recession. Now, growth has not only picked up in the UK (+ 0.6), but also in France (+0.5) and, most remarkably, in Portugal (+1.1). The recession continues, albeit at slower speed, in the Netherlands (-0.2) and in Spain (-0.1), Belgium is still stagnating. No data is yet available for Ireland, but the  UK's economic upswing lets me assume a similar trend there.

5. In south-eastern Europe, the plunge of Greece and Cyprus continues, even though first signs of recovery are getting visible for Greece. Bulgaria continues to stagnate, and growth in Romania is cooling down. Italy's economy is still shrinking, but at reduced speed (-0.2). It would be interesting to see how Slovenia and Croatia are doing in this regional context (Central European growth, Southeast European recession), however, no Q2 figures have been published for them yet.

The overall picture that emerges is a geographical shift. The US recovery is positively affecting Western and Central Europe, offsetting the slow-down in Eastern Europe and Russia. If the US pull continues, the UK should of course continue to benefit over proportion, but most Western European countries, especially France and Spain, should as well commence or continue recovery. Under such a scenario, the Euro-zone should see some growth in 2013.

What you call the impact of the 2008 crisis is in fact a recession in the Mediterranean (plus Ireland) that started in summer 2011, triggered by the Greek crisis, and enhanced by the "Arab Spring". The crisis is now gradually coming to its end, at least in the Western Mediterranean. Central Europe (plus the UK) never had a crisis, just a short dip into stagnation alongside the USA in late 2012, while parts of Eastern Europe, especially the Baltics, were booming.
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