Supreme Court bans juvenile executions

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What a horrible decision by the court. This country is going into the crapper and fast. It won't be long before cops and normal Americans will have to resort to street justice to punish criminals. Sadly I hope that day will come sooner rather then later.

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Countries that abolished the death penalty:
Canada, Australia, Israel, UK , Germany and the rest of Europe.
The death penalty still exists in: Uganda, Zair, Syria, Egypt, Chaina, Burma, Pakistan, Sudan and the US.

Good for them. Glad to see they dont believe in justice.

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Countries that abolished the death penalty:
Canada, Australia, Israel, UK , Germany and the rest of Europe.
The death penalty still exists in: Uganda, Zair, Syria, Egypt, Chaina, Burma, Pakistan, Sudan and the US.

Good for them. Glad to see they dont believe in justice.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is one of the worst sayings I've ever heard.

Here's a serious question for you Zebulon, would you rather be executed in a year or spend the rest of your life in prison.

If I committed a heinous rape or murder then justice should be swift and solid.

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Countries that abolished the death penalty:
Canada, Australia, Israel, UK , Germany and the rest of Europe.
The death penalty still exists in: Uganda, Zair, Syria, Egypt, Chaina, Burma, Pakistan, Sudan and the US.

Good for them. Glad to see they dont believe in justice.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is one of the worst sayings I've ever heard.

Here's a serious question for you Zebulon, would you rather be executed in a year or spend the rest of your life in prison.

If I committed a heinous rape or murder then justice should be swift and solid.

So you would rather die quickly?

Certainly, wouldnt you?

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Countries that abolished the death penalty:
Canada, Australia, Israel, UK , Germany and the rest of Europe.
The death penalty still exists in: Uganda, Zair, Syria, Egypt, Chaina, Burma, Pakistan, Sudan and the US.

Good for them. Glad to see they dont believe in justice.

An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is one of the worst sayings I've ever heard.

Here's a serious question for you Zebulon, would you rather be executed in a year or spend the rest of your life in prison.

If I committed a heinous rape or murder then justice should be swift and solid.

So you would rather die quickly?

Certainly, wouldnt you?

Yes, so why let criminals have the easy way out that we'd prefer to have? Why not make them sit there for decades with no hope for release?

Why keep the scumbags around? Why feed them for years at the cost of my tax money? Why risk them breaking out and escaping? If you are going to keep them around at least put them to good use and use them as slaves of some sort. Building roads or something like that.

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The Supreme Court continues its recent tradition of judicial activism.

One of the most alarming things is the Supreme Court basing decisions on international consensus.  Well, personally, I don't care what the Europeans think on most issues.

I'm fine with outlawing executions of those under 18, but I am deeply troubled and very angry by the reliance on international consensus.  I find it intellectually insulting.

What is the difference between a 17 & 18 y.o.? Nothing.

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What is the difference between a 17 & 18 y.o.? Nothing.

You can be drafted into the military
You can vote
You can enter into legal contracts without parental consent
You can get married
You can buy or appear in pornography

The list goes on and on...

True, but the point the court made was that a 16/17 y.o. didnt have a founded understanding of right from wrong. Which of course is utter nonsense.

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I find it funny liberals on here cry about how the younger have rights to privacy, speech, etc. And how those under 18 should be treated on the same level as adults. But when the topic of juvenile executions come up then they argue. You can't execute them, they are just CHILDREN who cant properly tell right from wrong.

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Ebowed,

Please don't use the bible to defend being anti death penalty. The words of Jesus, of which I strongly agree with, do not apply to the state as a whole. Jesus himself said that the state holds the right to "draw the sword" to punish criminals.

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Ebowed,

Please don't use the bible to defend being anti death penalty. The words of Jesus, of which I strongly agree with, do not apply to the state as a whole. Jesus himself said that the state holds the right to "draw the sword" to punish criminals.

I did an online bible search (NIV) for "draw the sword" and found no such Scripture.  Can you point me to the Scripture please?

I will try and find it later on. I don't remember if it was that exact phrase. But it was something very similar.

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Romans 13:1-17


   
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Romans 13

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. 2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid;for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. 8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. 12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light. 13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying. 14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

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Ebowed,

Please don't use the bible to defend being anti death penalty. The words of Jesus, of which I strongly agree with, do not apply to the state as a whole. Jesus himself said that the state holds the right to "draw the sword" to punish criminals.

Thanks for posting the scripture, I will post my thoughts in a moment.

First let me say that Jesus himself was given the death penalty (and for being a liberal, no less), so the death penalty may need to be reconsidered as a whole when looked at that context.  Also many of my fellow Southerners who support capital punishment are the same who opposed anti-lynching bills in the 1950s.  Lynching has gone the way of New Coke now in the U.S., and the death penalty should too if we are to join other countries like New Zealand, Canada, Australia, and almost all of Europe.  America is the only English-speaking country where the death penalty is still used to my knowledge, and that's a bad reflection on us.

Though the Law of Moses permits the use of the death penalty, Cain, who killed Abel, was not killed for his murderous crime but rather became a wanderer, and given a mark by God that told nobody to kill him.  But then the law of Moses came around; Jesus replaced it with a message of peace (like that casting the first stone thing).

Now as to your Romans quote.  "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.  For there is no power but of God..."  Well Jesus was God and he preached a pacifist message, and since he is the higher power Paul speaks of here we must "be subject unto" Jesus.

I believe using the king james version, which is tough to understand many times, is rather deceptive, so here's Romans 8:1-4 in NIV:

Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. 3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man, 4in order that the righteous requirements of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.

I see absolutely no reason for the death penalty usage in this passage.  I see it as one of the greatest arguments against it in the new testament.  In fact, it claims Jesus is a sin offering, and he was sent to meet the 'righteous requirements of the law' so that all could be saved by simple redemption, not meeting the strict requirements of Moses.  This Scripture makes the death penalty look anti-Christian, primitive, and ancient.

Well your points on here are so wrong its unbelievable. First off, Jesus was no "liberal" as you pointed out. He was a orthodox Jew and one of the biggest lies today is that Jesus was some how a big time liberal. After you said "NIV" I completely ignored the rest as the NIV is utter garbage.

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The NIV is a MODERN interpretation. I will take the biblical stance on that, "even if an angel were to come down and tell you something other then my scripture, let him be accursed".

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Ebowed, despite my strong opposition to the death penalty and slight distaste for StatesRights, I am inclined to agree with him on this issue. The troubles Christ was facing two thousand years ago cannot be translated into modern culture, as with everything else in the Bible.

I highly doubt StatesRights agrees with that statement.  He seems to just prefer KJV as the original Word of God, and since he's reading a permit of the death penalty in it he's not saying it can't be applied to modern culture.

Show me any quote where Jesus says the death penalty should be strickly forbidden or banned?

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Ebowed, despite my strong opposition to the death penalty and slight distaste for StatesRights, I am inclined to agree with him on this issue. The troubles Christ was facing two thousand years ago cannot be translated into modern culture, as with everything else in the Bible.

I highly doubt StatesRights agrees with that statement.  He seems to just prefer KJV as the original Word of God, and since he's reading a permit of the death penalty in it he's not saying it can't be applied to modern culture.

Show me any quote where Jesus says the death penalty should be strickly forbidden or banned?

1.) While not specific, John 8:3-11 gives a message of peace and forgiveness more than of stoning people for their sins.

2.) Show me any quote where Jesus says the death penalty should be used.

Explain "for the wages of sin is death"?

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Ebowed would you support forced hard labor, like slavery, over the death penalty?

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Ebowed would you support forced hard labor, like slavery, over the death penalty?

Hard labor for a crime is not the same as slavery.......

The 13th Amendment allows for the use of slavery for convicted felons. Do you support that idea?