Party idea, two right wing parties

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Yes, you're destroying traditional marriage because you're eliminating the entire concept. Now, I'm happy to vote for others like yourself (see my first preference), on the grounds that we have a truce on these issues. You don't push the same Labor party line, we support you in the elections.

Want to go to war over this, you'll happily lose folks like JCL and myself and our support. Forever.

Not voting for you is less of a consequence then going against what our faith teaches.

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Far from it, you're legislating contrary to Christianity.

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Do you believe it's discriminatory that marriage is limited to only one person?

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So. Show me where Jesus blesses gay marriage. I don't see it. Personally, I think you're lying here. You don't really care what Christ has to say so long as it's in line with your social liberalism.

Prove me wrong. Show me how Jesus does indeed state that your believe is coherent with his teachings.

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The government functioned quite well without it. It will function quite well without it again. It's a pity that conservatives aren't willing to defend their own ideology! I can't imagine a laborite coming out and admitting that socialism was flawed. Why do we have to work at convincing those who are supposed to be on our side.

What the heck does Federalism even stand for if it doesn't stand behind fiscal conservativism?

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Traditional marriage is defined by Christ as 'one man, one woman'. For life. Not two men, not two women, not 'till I can trade you in for a better, younger, cheaper, model.

You can support gay marriage all you like. You do so contrary to Christ.

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Forcing it on the regions is not a settled issue. You vote the Labor party line on that and I'll never vote for you again. Ever.

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Again, that doesn't address the point. You are claiming Christianity backs you up here. Where? If you're willing to concede that your belief is contrary to Christ we can move on.

I have no issue with the statement that 'marriage as a secular institution, etc'. That's a respectable argument. Arguing that Christians should support gay marriage is a whole 'nother ball of wax.

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I thought you said you were a Christian? Are you saying that what the economist says trumps what the bible says?

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So you're saying, in essence that people do not choose to have sex. Rape and consent are thusly impossible because people have urges that must be satisfied.

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Can you find one. Just one, where he condones homosexual activity.

And I can find one easy for you. Matthew 19. "He made them male and female". Why create two sexes which are capable of having sex with one another and having children - if that is not what sex was made for?

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Again, Matthew 19. It's all right there.

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Then admit that Jesus explicitly teaches that the ideal of marriage is one man and one woman for life. Which is exactly what he does teach.

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"In Matthew 19, Jesus was talking specifically about divorce, not about gender roles in a marriage."

Then why does Christ say, "He made them male and female"?

"Ben, the fact that you're saying you won't vote for SJoyce again because of one issue which, I might add, has no impact on your life whatsoever, is pretty frickin' ridiculous."

Yes, it does have an impact on my life. I teach for the Catholic church.

Next terrible argument?

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Then why did Christ say, "He made them male and female?" It's all connected together. The ideal of marriage is one man and one woman, and Christ explicitly stated this as so. Everything outside of this is sin.

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Again, he specifically affirmed that marriage is between one man and one woman. This *IS* significant, since SJoyce was stating how he could 'reconcile' his Christianity with support for gay marriage. The two are not compatible and gay marriage is incompatible with the Christian definition of marriage as Christ himself stated.

"not doing so wouldn't have made sense given the nature of most same-sex relationships at that time."

If Jesus Christ were merely 'expressing the concept of marriage at the time', why did the disciples say after, "if that is the case it is better for a man and a woman not to marry?" Jesus expressed the transcendent definition of marriage - marriage for all times.

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So, show me. Where is there any evidence whatsoever that Jesus said, "gender is irrelevant to marriage" You said it. Where is this? I don't see it.

You've got absolutely nothing. There's no evidence for your position whatsoever.

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Conservatives who have expressed their opinion that gay marriage is wrong have been fired. So yes, gay marriage does have a profound negative effect on my life.

So, any *other* terrible arguments? ".