Most Repugnant Right Wing party in Europe (plus Israel and Australia)

[DC Al Fine]

Why is Yisrael Beteinu the Israeli option? I can think of a couple parties that are way more repugnant and right wing.

Come to think of it, how are most of the parties options? Parties like Progress Party in Norway just aren't on the same level as Jobbik or Golden Dawn and it's a bit silly to lump all anti-immigration parties together.

I voted Golden Dawn.

The "progress party" had ties to Breivik I think.  Again Yisrael was listed because of Avigdor Lieberman's absurdity and the fact that party has influence in the Knesset.

Breivik left the party and was a lone whackjob. It's like calling Labour radical because George Galloway.

[H. Ross Peron]

Interesting results. 14 out of 17 parties (including NDP which is quite strange) received 0 votes.

Probably because its electorally irrelevant unlike the Golden Dawn.

[TNF]

None of these parties are as bad as the 'center-right' parties that actually win elections and form governments in Europe/Israel/Australia. They provide a useful 'devil' for the existing political classes of those nations, of course. That's not saying I would ever vote for one of them, but I would be far more worried about the Conservative Party winning another election in the UK than I would the BNP scrounging up enough votes to take one seat.

[Antonio the Sixth]

None of these parties are as bad as the 'center-right' parties that actually win elections and form governments in Europe/Israel/Australia. They provide a useful 'devil' for the existing political classes of those nations, of course. That's not saying I would ever vote for one of them, but I would be far more worried about the Conservative Party winning another election in the UK than I would the BNP scrounging up enough votes to take one seat.

What if these parties actually had good chances to win? Would you actually prefer them over the mainstream right parties? Sorry if I ask, but I've noticed a recent trend among my fellow forum leftists that worries me a bit.

[TNF]

None of these parties are as bad as the 'center-right' parties that actually win elections and form governments in Europe/Israel/Australia. They provide a useful 'devil' for the existing political classes of those nations, of course. That's not saying I would ever vote for one of them, but I would be far more worried about the Conservative Party winning another election in the UK than I would the BNP scrounging up enough votes to take one seat.

What if these parties actually had good chances to win? Would you actually prefer them over the mainstream right parties? Sorry if I ask, but I've noticed a recent trend among my fellow forum leftists that worries me a bit.

And what would that trend be, if you don't mind me asking? As for the question, I am not sure I would bother casting a ballot if my choices were between folks who want to rob me blind and folks that want to deport all foreigners.

[Antonio the Sixth]

None of these parties are as bad as the 'center-right' parties that actually win elections and form governments in Europe/Israel/Australia. They provide a useful 'devil' for the existing political classes of those nations, of course. That's not saying I would ever vote for one of them, but I would be far more worried about the Conservative Party winning another election in the UK than I would the BNP scrounging up enough votes to take one seat.

What if these parties actually had good chances to win? Would you actually prefer them over the mainstream right parties? Sorry if I ask, but I've noticed a recent trend among my fellow forum leftists that worries me a bit.

And what would that trend be, if you don't mind me asking? As for the question, I am not sure I would bother casting a ballot if my choices were between folks who want to rob me blind and folks that want to deport all foreigners.

Marokai recently said he would support Le Pen over Hollande in France's 2012 election, which made my jaw drop. We've since clarified things a bit and I think he's at least partly changed his view, but that made me wonder if other forumites politically close to me share this view.

I would say that at least in the case of Jobbik and XA, "deport all foreigners" is probably the nicest of their stances.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

aw shucks ain't yew serch uh raaahdikuhl pawpyouleest!!!1111

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Moron.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

None of these parties are as bad as the 'center-right' parties that actually win elections and form governments in Europe/Israel/Australia. They provide a useful 'devil' for the existing political classes of those nations, of course. That's not saying I would ever vote for one of them, but I would be far more worried about the Conservative Party winning another election in the UK than I would the BNP scrounging up enough votes to take one seat.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The responses to TNF are exactly the kind of responses I was talking about to Antonio, before. Why don't you guys throw in "lololol" and "panzergirl" in there somewhere for the full effect?

[Oakvale]

The trend of American left-wingers being sympathetic to the far-right on here is pretty disturbing. Do we have Beet to blame?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Will something along the lines of 'but these people are ACTUAL NAZIS!!!!' do?

[Maxwell]

the Democratic Party obviously #truleftyst

[Tetro Kornbluth]

The responses to TNF are exactly the kind of responses I was talking about to Antonio, before. Why don't you guys throw in "lololol" and "panzergirl" in there somewhere for the full effect?

Because it's so intellectually vapid and ignorant that it isn't even worth a single effort post.

[Supersonic]

the Democratic Party obviously #truleftyst

Hahaha.

[Marokai Backbeat]

The trend of American left-wingers being sympathetic to the far-right on here is pretty disturbing. Do we have Beet to blame?

I do not consider myself sympathetic of the European far-right, though if you define sympathetic as "thinking they might have even half of a point about even one part of one issue" then I guess I could be branded a fellow blackshirt.

It's more the absolute shutting the f**k down that happens anytime anyone dare consider saying anything about a far-right party other than a witty, dismissive one-liner that I can't stand. As if anytime someone wants to have a mature conversation about anything related to the European far-right they might be brainwashed and thus simply can't risk it.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

This idea of trying to engage with fascists as if they might have a point about a few things has been tried in Europe before. Didn't end very well. Makes many people less than convinced about the merits of doing so again.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

The trend of American left-wingers being sympathetic to the far-right on here is pretty disturbing. Do we have Beet to blame?

I do not consider myself sympathetic of the European far-right, though if you define sympathetic as "thinking they might have even half of a point about even one part of one issue" then I guess I could be branded a fellow blackshirt.

It's more the absolute shutting the f**k down that happens anytime anyone dare consider saying anything about a far-right party other than a witty, dismissive one-liner that I can't stand. As if anytime someone wants to have a mature conversation about anything related to the European far-right they might be brainwashed and thus simply can't risk it.

So, on what exactly do you think these fellow blackshirts have a point or two?

[Hifly]

Golden Dawn most probably. On France, I would probably support Madame Le Pen over Hollande.

[Oakvale]

Golden Dawn most probably. On France, I would probably support Madame Le Pen over Hollande.

Yes, this is the least surprising news imaginable.

[Franknburger]

In terms of electoral influence, the NPD is surely not comparable to GD, Jobbik or FN. However, they form a focal point for a militant Neo-Nazi scene that, aside from occasionally beating up non-whites that happen to be in the wrong area at the wrong time of day, has not too long ago been discovered to have posed the largest terrorist threat to Germany since the turn of the millennium.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The trend of American left-wingers being sympathetic to the far-right on here is pretty disturbing. Do we have Beet to blame?

I do not consider myself sympathetic of the European far-right, though if you define sympathetic as "thinking they might have even half of a point about even one part of one issue" then I guess I could be branded a fellow blackshirt.

It's more the absolute shutting the f**k down that happens anytime anyone dare consider saying anything about a far-right party other than a witty, dismissive one-liner that I can't stand. As if anytime someone wants to have a mature conversation about anything related to the European far-right they might be brainwashed and thus simply can't risk it.

I just have a hard time seeing why anyone would care if these parties have half of a point about one part of one issues, considering their otherwise absolute horribleness. What's the point in playing the devil's advocate exactly? Even if there actually was anything good in these parties' platforms (there isn't) the idea that they are morally equivalent to the neoliberal right (note that much of these "populist" parties actually have largely neoliberal positions on economic issues) is absurd. And yeah, it painfully reminds of 1930s communists.

[Leftbehind]

Where has TNF said he sympathised with the far-right? He said he wouldn't vote for them, and finds the prospect of a Tory win a more direct threat than the BNP gaining one seat - which I struggle to see what is disagreeable there?

It's a different matter when you've got Jobbik-like support of course, but significant and successful neoliberals are demonstrably a greater threat to workers than irrelevant and ignored fascists in most countries.

The useful devil is also true - look how often the argument that the BNP would gain seats was/is deployed to scare off people from supporting voting reform away from our two party system.

[MASHED POTATOES. VOTE!]

The trend of American left-wingers being sympathetic to the far-right on here is pretty disturbing. Do we have Beet to blame?

I do not consider myself sympathetic of the European far-right, though if you define sympathetic as "thinking they might have even half of a point about even one part of one issue" then I guess I could be branded a fellow blackshirt.

It's more the absolute shutting the f**k down that happens anytime anyone dare consider saying anything about a far-right party other than a witty, dismissive one-liner that I can't stand. As if anytime someone wants to have a mature conversation about anything related to the European far-right they might be brainwashed and thus simply can't risk it.

Hear hear! Remember these mature, non-brainwashed guys in Germany that decided the far right shouldn't be isolated? NOTHING BAD HAPPENED!

 

[rejectamenta]

Probably Golden Dawn.

The responses to TNF are exactly the kind of responses I was talking about to Antonio, before. Why don't you guys throw in "lololol" and "panzergirl" in there somewhere for the full effect?

Don't forget to start with a too-cool-for-school opener, perhaps "lol yeah because ___", and to cap it all off with the ever fresh "amirite?" Season with to taste.

[memphis]

I'm largely ignorant of non American political parties, but any that combine hyper nationalism with theocracy would certainly fit the bill. Even the favored class would have to live under the yoke of oppression, as they do in Iran. I would presume this sentiment would be most common in Israel, but the fringe parties in Europe can be surprising too.