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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2013, 09:05:34 PM »

I think I see what you are saying now.

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Okay so back to unemployment insurance revenue...

What is the exact question we need to answer on that?
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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2013, 05:52:49 AM »

Well we need to figure out how much UI revenue was generated before and after and the increase from the former to the latter would go onto the "Revenue Increases Resulting from the CSS" pile.

First off, we need to know what law was governing the UI system (specifically its revenues) prior to the 2011 CSS. Was it 2003/2004 US law or had something been passed during that period (2004-2011) that we should be looking at instead for the standard for comparison.
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« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2013, 07:09:27 AM »

We still doing this?

If so some answers to my last post would move the ball down the field.
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« Reply #28 on: October 02, 2013, 12:10:28 PM »

Ahhhh
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« Reply #29 on: October 03, 2013, 07:08:59 PM »

We still doing this?

If so some answers to my last post would move the ball down the field.

Life has been hell since my exams started. It was pretty terrible to me having tests all this last three weeks...
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« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2013, 03:35:27 PM »

Well we need to figure out how much UI revenue was generated before and after and the increase from the former to the latter would go onto the "Revenue Increases Resulting from the CSS" pile.

First off, we need to know what law was governing the UI system (specifically its revenues) prior to the 2011 CSS. Was it 2003/2004 US law or had something been passed during that period (2004-2011) that we should be looking at instead for the standard for comparison.

We should be looking for the 2003/2004 Law, that will provide the best information for us. We haven't reformed our Social Security before that anyway...
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« Reply #31 on: October 05, 2013, 06:09:04 AM »

Remember we are not necessarily concern with the law in particular but the revenue that we would have been raising in 2011 (pre-CSS) based off the provisions of said law. Therefore we take tax the rates in effect and then figure out the revenue that would have been raised off such in 2011 using the relative economic situation. We might also want to factor in relative labor market conditions as opposed to just GDP or something like that. 

Also I should point out that the US system of UI in RL is state based and thus the rates of taxation very from state to state. Whenever the Feds expand it temporarily or whatever, they are essentially passing a mandate onto the states to expand their programs and typically it isn't entirely mandatory as we saw with what North Carolina did over the summer. Long story short, we would probably be better off looking for an aggregate amount of unemployment revenue if such was calculated at some point in 2011. I assume that some article somewhere would have done so because of the recession.
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2013, 07:27:41 PM »

OK Guys, let's start this up! NYankee, could you give me the data that I need and then I do the maths and a mini-report if you wish?
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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2013, 04:39:25 PM »

What numbers do you want exactly at this point?


Remember I am the one with the dial up connection, as I said before. The more direction possible as to what to look and where to look for it, would be helpfull.
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« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2013, 07:17:08 PM »

Well, Superique?
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« Reply #35 on: November 21, 2013, 04:55:24 PM »



I will anser you soon... =/
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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2013, 09:29:32 PM »

The second part of the Mental Heath Reform will be on the floor in days. I am sure that the Game Moderation team would find having this budget completed to being a significant help to the completion of that piece of the reform effort.
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« Reply #37 on: November 27, 2013, 05:39:28 PM »

Oh Yankee, I'm sorry for that, I'm going to finish my exams on friday, then I will have finally time to end this most needed calculation!
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« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2013, 03:55:53 PM »

Well, I'm starting to take a look on numbers right now and the first thing that I've noticed was that the American System of Unemployment Insurance is pretty strange and it make things pretty hard to calculate. Unlike Brazil and other countries, there is not just ONE FEDERAL TAX, there are many such as the FUTA (The Federal One) but there are also other taxes that help to pay the Unemployment Insurance Benefit. I'm trying to find the revenues from taxes like the FUTA but even the Federal Government does not have a good report on that, or at least an easy-to-fid report.

I maybe be wrong but if we are going to do this in the most effective way, then we should be looking on state-level information and then we should look even harder for Federal Information. There is something that this commission should start right now is to calculate the amounts of the Atlasian Unemployment Insurance that were raised during 2011.
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« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2013, 05:11:42 PM »

Well, since my last post. Major improvements were made and now I think that we have some good information about Unemployment Services in the US (2011).

This is a general explanation with some data
FUTA Revenues\
Payroll - One little information from 2011
This one is prett good - Provides information about SS and UI
This could help - not sure however
FUTA explanation


Well... That is it for now. Am I on the right track?
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2013, 02:10:17 AM »

From the first link you posted:

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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2013, 02:11:27 AM »

We might consider things like immigration reform and stronger employment than the US, that revenues may be higher- significantly higher.
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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2013, 02:34:58 AM »

Superique, did you notice the FUTA receipts. All I could hammer down specifically was what I assume to be the aggregate state UI tax receipts and that is for 2010 only.


Once we have the two of them together, we can then adjust for RL-Atlasia differences and figure out the difference in revenues resulting from the passage of the Comprehensive Social Security Act, as it relates to UI.
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« Reply #43 on: December 06, 2013, 06:44:52 PM »

One of the links does have the FUTA receipts is that enough?
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« Reply #44 on: December 07, 2013, 07:56:36 AM »

Could you post it, I cannot seem to locate that specific number in amongst everything else.
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« Reply #45 on: December 07, 2013, 11:28:38 AM »

Could you post it, I cannot seem to locate that specific number in amongst everything else.

Ok! I will try to do so...
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« Reply #46 on: December 12, 2013, 10:07:10 PM »

http://www.ows.doleta.gov/unemploy/futa_receipts.asp
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« Reply #47 on: December 12, 2013, 10:15:03 PM »

Superique, did you notice the FUTA receipts. All I could hammer down specifically was what I assume to be the aggregate state UI tax receipts and that is for 2010 only.


Once we have the two of them together, we can then adjust for RL-Atlasia differences and figure out the difference in revenues resulting from the passage of the Comprehensive Social Security Act, as it relates to UI.

Could you provide me an email?
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2013, 02:21:12 PM »


Throught this past four days of hell, my mind kept coming back to this picture for some reason. Make of that what you will.
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2013, 02:23:50 PM »

Are these the right numbers?

2010FY
US TOTAL 6,507.2 million
2011FY
US TOTAL 6,781.3 million
2012FY
US TOTAL 5,251.3 million

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