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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
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« on: September 11, 2013, 11:29:15 PM »
« edited: September 12, 2013, 12:07:12 AM by asexual trans victimologist »

Anyone want to take bets on how these new Republican Senators fair in 2014? Turnout will be different, so the recall numbers are not guaranteed to be repeated.

And there's a bit of hypocrisy on this board, when Wisconsin Democrats launched recalls, most Republicans here called that unfair. Double standards run amok.

Are you suggesting there is no "hypocrisy on this board" concerning Democrats who denounced the recalls as "unfair" after being silent concerning Wisconsin?

Nor, can I let pass without comment the basic premise of your alleged empirical observation.  There simply is no "hypocrisy" in supporting the Colorado recalls after denouncing the Wisconsin recalls as "unfair." The "unfairness" argument failed to carry the day in three districts in Wisconsin. In the world as we would like it to be after pointing out the problems of promoting political recalls, as opposed to recalling discovered scumbags and crooks, the voters in Wisconsin would have rejected every recall by both parties. In the world in which we do live political recalls are now part of the process. Adjusting to changing realities is not "hypocrisy."

I'm a little confused as to why exactly you're claiming it's not hypocritical to have different views of the fairness of these recalls and the ones in Wisconsin. You say that you view them as a partisan political mechanism that isn't really good or bad in and of itself, and I actually pretty much agree with that, but I'm not sure how that's supposed to make it better to say that one instance is fairer than the other. Either both instances are fair game or neither are. I happen to think both are, although in this case I'm upset with the results.

There's also obviously the reality of living in a political culture that basically worships Moloch to adjust to--and this isn't limited to the discourse on guns or even the right (broadly defined) by any means--which is a more salient lesson in the moral sense but less so in the sense that an elections board should concern itself with outside the Religion and Philosophy, Individual Politics, and Political Debate. And frankly it's a lesson that we as a people should have already internalized long before now, were it not for the fact that some of us--myself included--like to play at being idealists.
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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
Nathan
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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 2013, 11:34:14 PM »
« Edited: September 11, 2013, 11:42:16 PM by asexual trans victimologist »

Anyone want to take bets on how these new Republican Senators fair in 2014? Turnout will be different, so the recall numbers are not guaranteed to be repeated.

And there's a bit of hypocrisy on this board, when Wisconsin Democrats launched recalls, most Republicans here called that unfair. Double standards run amok.

Are you suggesting there is no "hypocrisy on this board" concerning Democrats who denounced the recalls as "unfair" after being silent concerning Wisconsin?

Nor, can I let pass without comment the basic premise of your alleged empirical observation.  There simply is no "hypocrisy" in supporting the Colorado recalls after denouncing the Wisconsin recalls as "unfair." The "unfairness" argument failed to carry the day in three districts in Wisconsin. In the world as we would like it to be after pointing out the problems of promoting political recalls, as opposed to recalling discovered scumbags and crooks, the voters in Wisconsin would have rejected every recall by both parties. In the world in which we do live political recalls are now part of the process. Adjusting to changing realities is not "hypocrisy."

I'm a little confused as to why exactly you're claiming it's not hypocritical to have different views of the fairness of these recalls and the ones in Wisconsin.

Apperently, you are. My position is clear enough.

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