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« Reply #75 on: March 03, 2005, 12:16:10 am »
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Oops!  My bad.  I guess I'm just linking the two due to their business similarities. 

Not bashing Bredesen in any way.  In fact, I kinda like him!

It's ironic that Democrats hate Bredesen and Republicans like him. Wink

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« Reply #76 on: March 03, 2005, 12:17:09 am »
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Oops!  My bad.  I guess I'm just linking the two due to their business similarities. 

Not bashing Bredesen in any way.  In fact, I kinda like him!

It's ironic that Democrats hate Bredesen and Republicans like him. Wink



I dont hate him.  From what I can gather he's just tackling problems in a non-partisan way, I like that.   Plus, hes setting himself up for an easy re-election.  Its gonna' be interesting to see how he govern's his second term. 
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« Reply #77 on: March 03, 2005, 12:17:56 am »
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Oops!  My bad.  I guess I'm just linking the two due to their business similarities. 

Not bashing Bredesen in any way.  In fact, I kinda like him!

It's ironic that Democrats hate Bredesen and Republicans like him. Wink



I dont hate him.  From what I can gather he's just tackling problems in a non-partisan way, I like that.

Bredesen for VP would be awesome. Smiley
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« Reply #78 on: March 03, 2005, 12:18:20 am »
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Frist, the robotic and dull, cat-killing HMO operator, is not going to win the nomination.

I mean, I can't believe someone actually calls themselves a Republican after playing the victim card FOR BEING CATHOLIC! That is unbelievable. Truly remarkable victimology.

And, on top of that, he won't vote for his own party unless they nominate a yankee. Incredible. Especially since his state keeps voting for Democrats... I guess they deserve the reward. Makes sense to me, nominate someone from states that vote against your party.

I mean, what's next? Soulty won't vote Republican unless he personally gets the nomination? I mean, everyone else is a "good 'ol boy" even if their young, professional, and honest. hmm.

You know, we don't need trash like soulty in the party. Just don't need the drama. I'm not sure when people with no influence and no brain starting thinking they call the shots. I guess the Democrats are the party of the people, so soulty will have to support their white male if the GOP should nominate a white male.

What an asshole. Screw the Northeast- that's the only reason our government is full of socialists to begin with. And their thinking has apparently gotten to dumby soulty- who cries out for affirmative action to appease his childish whims.
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« Reply #79 on: March 03, 2005, 12:20:00 am »
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No, the ticket to the White House is thru the State House.  Besides,Harold Ford wants to run for Senate on the Dem side.  He can't win, but he is determined to run.
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« Reply #80 on: March 03, 2005, 12:20:12 am »
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No way! Bredesen is a manager, and a pretty good one. He's probably pleased or scared enough Repubs that he won't have a serious competetor for gov. The Senate race will have half a dozen electable Repubs vying for the nomination. I do hope some big name Dems are reconsidering running due to the Ford family saga. I like Harold Ford Jr and would support him, but hius uncle is an awful, awful man who should be in jail. The scandal will only hurt Ford Jr., even if it shouldn't.

Bredesen will stay put. I'd bet big money on it. I wish he were more vocal on social issues, but otherwise, he's a good guy.
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« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2005, 12:21:22 am »
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No, the ticket to the White House is thru the State House.  Besides,Harold Ford wants to run for Senate on the Dem side.  He can't win, but he is determined to run.

You guys need to start using quotes. There are multiple conversations going on, and it tends to get a little confusing if you don't quote what you're responding to.
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« Reply #82 on: March 03, 2005, 12:22:20 am »
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I've always liked Breseden and I still do, but I'm an pretty conservative Democrat anyway.  Smiley

I can imagine the real left-wing wackos hating him.  Normal Democrats should like him.
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« Reply #83 on: March 03, 2005, 12:24:24 am »
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I've always liked Breseden and I still do, but I'm an pretty conservative Democrat anyway.  Smiley

I can imagine the real left-wing wackos hating him.  Normal Democrats should like him.

Yep. The DINO's of the left would vote Green if Bredesen was nominated.
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« Reply #84 on: March 03, 2005, 12:25:32 am »
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Bredesen held out against raising taxes, especially creating an income tax, when everyone in his party--and our former GOP Gov were clammoring for it.  

Two years later, we are back in the black, the State is once again in surplus, and he is determined to solve our TNCare (medicaid) problem.

He promised to run the state much more like a business than a slush fund for politicians, and he has delivered so far.  Can't knock that!
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« Reply #85 on: March 03, 2005, 12:26:31 am »
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The far left at some of my Democratic boards are bitching they will vote green if any of the follow receive the nomination... Bredesen, Warner, Bayh, Richardson.  They must really hate winning.
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« Reply #86 on: March 03, 2005, 12:28:41 am »
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I've always liked Breseden and I still do, but I'm an pretty conservative Democrat anyway.  Smiley

I can imagine the real left-wing wackos hating him.  Normal Democrats should like him.

Yep. The DINO's of the left would vote Green if Bredesen was nominated.

The previous Republican governors of Tennessee were disasters. 

Bredesen has gone in there, cleaned up things, and turned Tennessee around in general.

I would support a man like that all the time, regardless of political affliation.
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« Reply #87 on: March 03, 2005, 12:29:16 am »
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The far left at some of my Democratic boards are bitching they will vote green if any of the follow receive the nomination... Bredesen, Warner, Bayh, Richardson.  They must really hate winning.

People like that are everywhere where I live. I guess they'd rather vote for that ing idiot Nader than win. More power to them! They're the reason the Democrats are completely out of power.
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« Reply #88 on: March 03, 2005, 12:29:50 am »
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I've always liked Breseden and I still do, but I'm an pretty conservative Democrat anyway.  Smiley

I can imagine the real left-wing wackos hating him.  Normal Democrats should like him.

Yep. The DINO's of the left would vote Green if Bredesen was nominated.

The previous Republican governors of Tennessee were disasters. 

Bredesen has gone in there, cleaned up things, and turned Tennessee around in general.

I would support a man like that all the time, regardless of political affliation.

Same here.
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« Reply #89 on: March 03, 2005, 12:32:09 am »
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That attitude makes no sense whatsoever.  That's like anti-NAFTA GOPers voting for Buchanan, a thouroughly wasted vote.
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« Reply #90 on: March 03, 2005, 12:32:45 am »
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Frist, the robotic and dull, cat-killing HMO operator, is not going to win the nomination.

I mean, I can't believe someone actually calls themselves a Republican after playing the victim card FOR BEING CATHOLIC! That is unbelievable. Truly remarkable victimology.

And, on top of that, he won't vote for his own party unless they nominate a yankee. Incredible. Especially since his state keeps voting for Democrats... I guess they deserve the reward. Makes sense to me, nominate someone from states that vote against your party.

I mean, what's next? Soulty won't vote Republican unless he personally gets the nomination? I mean, everyone else is a "good 'ol boy" even if their young, professional, and honest. hmm.

You know, we don't need trash like soulty in the party. Just don't need the drama. I'm not sure when people with no influence and no brain starting thinking they call the shots. I guess the Democrats are the party of the people, so soulty will have to support their white male if the GOP should nominate a white male.

What an asshole. Screw the Northeast- that's the only reason our government is full of socialists to begin with. And their thinking has apparently gotten to dumby soulty- who cries out for affirmative action to appease his childish whims.

Thank you for misinterpriting what I said.  I said "I won't support anyone in the primary who doesn't match that discription.  Not the general election.

And, once again, anti-Catholic bigotry does exist.  It is very real.  You know why you don't notice it?  Because you aren't Catholic.  If you were, you would notice.  I don't know if I can be polite about this anymore.

Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.

Clearly, you seem to have missed the fact that we live in a country.  This country is called America.  In America, we have 50 states.  There are states that are not South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama and Mississippi.  Some of these states voted for Bush.  Some of them didn't, but came very close, like New Hampshire, PA, Michigan, Oregon, Wisconsin and Minnesota.  Some of these states might go GOP in '08 if we pick the right candidate.  I'm pretty sure that that candidate is not Mark Sanford, Governor of Nothing and Protector of the Same.  I'm pretty sure that a good candidate from a very Liberal state like MA, like, say, Mitt Romney, might have enough appeal to turn a lot of states over to us.  I'm also pretty sure that "punishing" certain states for not voting for you is a stupid strategy that will only increase the partisan divide in this country.
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« Reply #91 on: March 03, 2005, 12:34:04 am »
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The far left at some of my Democratic boards are bitching they will vote green if any of the follow receive the nomination... Bredesen, Warner, Bayh, Richardson.  They must really hate winning.

I'm starting to think that certain elements of my party want to acctually make a race of it, when we need not.
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« Reply #92 on: March 03, 2005, 12:34:18 am »
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Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.



Sanford is far from being a Goldwater. He'd do better in the North than most other Republicans.
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« Reply #93 on: March 03, 2005, 12:35:41 am »
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Mitt Romney would lose.  The country's not going to elect a Mormon.  I wouldn't vote to elect a Mormon, frankly.

Also, he'd lose certain key states in the South because he's a Yankee, like Louisiana, if the Dems run anyone who simply shuts up on social issues.
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« Reply #94 on: March 03, 2005, 12:37:05 am »
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Soulty,

Whats wrong with winning elections the way ya'll are winning them right now?  Sh**t, Id do anything to be in the position the GOP is in right now when it comes to elections and political power.
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« Reply #95 on: March 03, 2005, 12:39:02 am »
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Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.



Sanford is far from being a Goldwater. He'd do better in the North than most other Republicans.

Are you telling me that you honestly believe Sanford can be elected in Pennsylvania and Michigan?  I only know of him because I know politics.  In 2008, he will be 6 year governor of South Carolina.  Why not run Senator Thune, if we are looking to gain nothing by the virtue of our candidate?

In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.
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« Reply #96 on: March 03, 2005, 12:40:14 am »
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Whats wrong with winning elections the way ya'll are winning them right now?  sh**t, Id do anything to be in the position the GOP is in politically across this country.

Except the GOP always seems to end up on top somehow. If the situation was reversed- if Gore was in the White House, both Houses of Congress were Democratic, and the Supreme Court majority was liberal- the GOP would stage a "Republican Revolution" like in '94 and kick them all out. They're just much better at politics.
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Ummm... according to my research Minnesota is less than a quarter Catholic.

less than a quarter is still a plurality. There's over 1.2 million Catholics in Minnesota. The second highest group is my denomination, ELCA, which has 850k.

I don't know this for sure, but something tells me that, seeing as this is the midwest, most of those Catholics are German Catholics, and thus, no tmuch different from their neighbors.

yes they are mostly German, and I guess they are not much different from their neighbors since they're white. But among whites, how are Germans and Scandinavians basically the same?  This is from someone who is 3/4 Scandinavian and 1/4 German.

Quite a different story when you have an area liek mine where a vast majority of Catholics are Italian, Irish or Polish and they are out numbered by English, German and Scottish Protestants.

Have you ever been to St. Paul?

And even if people are still fighting among ethnicities when in fact almost everyone considers all of the above group as simply "white", do you really think the same stuff doesn't happen to English, German and Scottish Protestants in heavily Italian, Irish or Polish Catholic areas? And why do they get along worse than Scandinavian Protestants and German Catholics?

Kerry didn't poll high in high Catholic areas because ethnic Catholics didn't identify with him.  Plain and simple.

Or because hardly anyone cares about this when they vote anymore.

Why can't an anti-Catholic bigot exist?

Can an anti-Democrat or anti-Republican one exist?

And, no, I have never seen much Catholic on Protestant bigotry, cause we don't really care much.  Catholics recongnize the fact that we are all Christians.

Read the beliefnet forums sometime.

Most Protestants don't even consider Catholics to be Christians, rather, we are some wierd cult that worships the Pope and Mary.

That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard you say. Most? You're the one who earlier talked about Catholicism as a seperate religion, and I corrected you on it. I have never said said Catholics are not Christian. I actually called jmfcst on this, even though it was really just a cheap shot, and even he denied he ever said so. I have never met anyone in real life who has claimed this, and know of no one outside of a few loons who think Jack Chick is right. If you think that represents the vast majority of Protestants, you are clearly deluded indeed.
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« Reply #98 on: March 03, 2005, 12:42:58 am »
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Whats wrong with winning elections the way ya'll are winning them right now?  Sh**t, Id do anything to be in the position the GOP is in right now when it comes to elections and political power.

What's wrong?  A 2% shift in the polls means that we lose.  That's whats wrong.  That isn't a mandate.  That isn't even a lead.

We could lose if we appear to be going further right and further south.

Ohio is not safe.  Florida is not safe.  Iowa is not safe.  New Mexico is not safe.  Nevada is not safe.

By reaching out, however, we can become a true majority party.  It would not take much for us to win comfortably in PA, MN, WI and OR, but for some reason, the retroverts don't want to do it.  They are getting way to comfortable with where we are.

If we don't do it right, 1996 is right around the corner.
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« Reply #99 on: March 03, 2005, 12:43:08 am »
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Now, dumby AuH2O apparently wants to nominate another Goldwater who will lose to the Democrats in a landslide and take the Senate with him.  Yeah, that's not going bring on more socialism or anything.



Sanford is far from being a Goldwater. He'd do better in the North than most other Republicans.

Are you telling me that you honestly believe Sanford can be elected in Pennsylvania and Michigan?  I only know of him because I know politics.  In 2008, he will be 6 year governor of South Carolina.  Why not run Senator Thune, if we are looking to gain nothing by the virtue of our candidate?

In the meantime, bringing forward the governor of South Carolina will be a huge sign to the rest of the country that, inspite of having tons of great candidates from all over the country, we went with this guy, because he plays well with Evangelical Southerners.

What kind of message does that send?

It tells me that we are not a National Party.

No, he couldn't win Michigan or Pennsylvania. However, he could win New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and possibly even Oregon.

He doesn't play particularly well with evangelicals- he's pretty secular. And I hate to tell you this, but the GOP isn't a truly national party anymore. Neither are the Democrats.
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