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Question: which is worse?
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BRTD
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« on: March 02, 2005, 09:58:46 PM »

definately Islam
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2005, 10:37:13 PM »

It's going to be pretty difficult for 15k troops to kill millions. And read up on the suspension of civil liberties and ridiculous abuses by Nepali security forces lately.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2005, 10:44:16 PM »

The girl in the picture on the right does not look like a cold blooded murderer to me. Yet she is a POW being held by the King's thugs.
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2005, 11:01:23 PM »

The girl in the picture on the right does not look like a cold blooded murderer to me. Yet she is a POW being held by the King's thugs.

That's the key "Does not look threatening to you." How would you know BRTD? Perhaps she is a terrorist thug. The King wouldn't hold her if she was not.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/story.jsp?story=615706
http://nytimes.com/2005/02/08/international/asia/08nepal.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Students-allege-torture-in-Nepal-clampdown/2005/02/06/1107625058069.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4231605.stm
http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=91654

I don't trust the King. This is a guy who had most of his family murdered so he could ascend to the throne after all.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,031
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2005, 11:11:44 PM »

The girl in the picture on the right does not look like a cold blooded murderer to me. Yet she is a POW being held by the King's thugs.

That's the key "Does not look threatening to you." How would you know BRTD? Perhaps she is a terrorist thug. The King wouldn't hold her if she was not.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/asia/story.jsp?story=615706
http://nytimes.com/2005/02/08/international/asia/08nepal.html
http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Students-allege-torture-in-Nepal-clampdown/2005/02/06/1107625058069.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4231605.stm
http://www.deepikaglobal.com/ENG4_sub.asp?ccode=ENG4&newscode=91654

I don't trust the King. This is a guy who had most of his family murdered so he could ascend to the throne after all.

Not trusting the King is not necessarily a reason to trust the rebels. Many times rebels against tyrannical governments only want to replace the tyrant with a new one. If you feel there is good reason to trust the rebels, that's another thing, but simply being against the current regime doesn't cut it.

Also, a question - if you were a terrorist or just a rebel, would you want to look suspicious or would you want to look innocent? Would you want to look like the enemy or would you want to look like someone not involved?

I know someone on DU who was in Nepal and has met the rebels. He says they are very friendly and get along very well with tourists. Largely they are just sick of their country's exploitation by big foreign businesses (mainly Coca-Cola) and oppressive feudal traditions.

Go look at some pictures of the Iraqi insurgents. Or bin Laden or al-Zaraqawi. They look evil and threatening. Not like an innocent young girl.
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,031
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2005, 11:33:28 PM »

I know someone on DU who was in Nepal and has met the rebels. He says they are very friendly and get along very well with tourists. Largely they are just sick of their country's exploitation by big foreign businesses (mainly Coca-Cola) and oppressive feudal traditions.

And that's just fine.

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Don't pretend those girls with guns don't look evil to those who they're pointing the guns at. There's an essential difference between the Nepal rebels and the Iraqi insurgents/Al-Queda - the Nepal rebels aren't pointing their guns and aggression at you and your family/country. On the other hand, the insurgents and bin Laden are pointing their guns at us - that automatically makes them seem more evil to us, and we get the image of Islamic insurgents in our head as evil. If the Nepal rebels started going after you, they'd appear more evil to you.

Also, do you think the insurgents look like that when they go home to their families? You can't judge someone solely on how they appear - there's a number of menacing looking people in the world who are completely nice guys, and plenty of nice looking people who are evil sons of bitches.

They're pointing their guns at the photographer, who was almost certainly friendly with them since it looks like a staged shoot. But I know no one in Iraq, and since I was against the invasion and am totally against our current government, it hardly seems like my country or something involving me is over there. But I still think these guys look like evil SOBs:



I'm not going to ask, first of all, why the hell someone would do something like go to Nepal to meet rebels. And, honestly, I do not care what your friend on DU has to say. Personal experience for a few days is hardly worth mentioning, especially when it is not yours.

you didn't ask, but I'll answer anyway, he did not go to Nepal to meet rebels. Nepal is a very popular tourist destination.


Ted Bundy lived in this very neighborhood. Went to my middle school. Charming, social fellow. Many sociopathic people are smooth, handsome, and disarming, and can talk about brutally murdering innocent people with a smile on their face and not even a tangential understanding of what guilt is supposed to be and feel like. A photograph proves nothing other than that they can comb their hair, crawl into the fetal position, and smile for the camera. Everyone's an actor when the pay is good, so to speak.

You think a POW is able to prepare to look good for the camera?
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BRTD
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Posts: 113,031
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2005, 12:20:26 AM »

They are militiawomen, even though they are aligned with the communist rebellion they don't belong to the main group. The core army is much better armed.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,031
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2005, 11:05:35 PM »

Before I'll answer this I wanna know two things:

1. What do you mean by Communism?
2. What do you mean by Islam?

dictionary definition.
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Posts: 113,031
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Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

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« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2005, 01:22:34 AM »

alright guys, example:

Afghanistan under the Soviet puppet regime vs. Aghanistan under the Taliban

which was worse?
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
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Posts: 113,031
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2005, 01:17:51 PM »

alright guys, example:

Afghanistan under the Soviet puppet regime vs. Aghanistan under the Taliban

which was worse?

Counterexample:

What is worse - living in North Korea or living in, say, Egypt?

The problem with this kind of logic is that you can always find these things in different degrees. Cuba is obviously better to live in than North Korea - both are communist, but one is not as bad. There are different degrees in the Muslim countries as well.

Now, of course, what you pointed out with Afghanistan under the Taliban doesn't necessarily reflect Islam - it was the fact that it was an extremist theocracy that made it bad, not Islam. Had the theocracy been some extremist Christian sect, it may have been just as bad.

Except Egypt is a secular regime, not an Islamic one.
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I spent the winter writing songs about getting better
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
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Posts: 113,031
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2005, 01:21:15 PM »

North Korea isn't really communist though, it's a bizarre offshoot they called "Juche"

The only truly communist country remaining in the world is Cuba.
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