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Sibboleth
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« on: September 14, 2013, 06:40:23 pm »
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Stumbled across this story earlier today: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-24093924
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« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 06:47:09 pm »
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They're against "reform"? What a ridiculous headline.
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« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 07:23:58 pm »
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They're against "reform"? What a ridiculous headline.

Usual BBC bias.
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« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2013, 04:28:30 am »
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Is there any credible left-wing party that could capitalize on this? Tusk is an awful neoliberal, but sadly he's been the lesser of two evils in recent Polish elections...
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Some of them have been twisted by the enemy
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 09:20:48 am »
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What is going on is that we finally had the biggest public protests since fall of the communism. The mainstream media claims there were 100,000 on the streets (while conceding it's a big deal), but the actual number is closer was 200,000 Smiley The Unions were joined pretty much by all leftist circles.

Unsurprisingly, PiS (which despite "social" talking points governed in a very neoliberal fashion) and all opposition right distances themselves from the protests, which pretty much put to rest any dumb government talking points.

@Antonio, see that's the problem. As long as that "Tusk is bad, but not that bad" BS persist, we're condemned to be stuck between the open neoliberals and closeted neoliberals with their nationalist mambo jumbo. The parliamentary left sucks (Palikot is not left at all), but these events finally gives some hope.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2013, 11:56:33 am »
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What do the polls (as opposed to the Poles) look like at the moment?
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 12:25:31 pm »
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BBC's title is laughable. If anything, these protests are against counter-reforms, as the government just abolished the 8 hours working time, which is simply awful.

What do the polls (as opposed to the Poles) look like at the moment?

Quoting Homo Homini (specifically September 4) probably should be an intractable offense, but as we're still far from the next election, polls are not that frequent. I'll try to find something newer and more reliable later.

PiS: 34%
PO: 21%
SLD: 15%
PSL: 6%
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SP: 4%
Palikot: 3%

PO is really going down and I'm pleased with SLD growth, for all their flaws, they were the only parliamentary party to strongly endorse the protest and vote against abolishing the 8 hours working time.

By the way, according to the MillwardBrown poll (Sept 10) 59% supports union protests, 31% opposes, 10% doesn't have an opinion.
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