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« on: September 16, 2013, 03:05:56 AM »

Right bear arms is an unassailable right.
Oppose restrictions on the right to bear arms.
Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns.
Recognize heritage of hunting and shooting on federal lands.
No background checks at gun shows.
More penalties for gun violations.
Guns don't have to be sold with trigger locks.
Prohibition remains on suing gun manufacturers and sellers for gun misuse.
National cross-state standard for concealed carry.
Ban on gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C.
No permit needed to purchase a firearm or assault weapon.
No license required to own a firearm or assault weapon.
Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials.
Require permits to carry on a shall issue basis.
Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry.
One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm as opposed to 3 days.
Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms.
Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses.
No guns on or near schools and churches.
Maintain current hunting laws to protect hunted species from going extinct.
 
Firearms in Vehicles:
 
1. In a closed package, box, or case.
2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle.
3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder.
4. Must be unloaded.
 
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2013, 04:11:28 AM »

The right to bear arms is an anachronistic concept that I am willing to tolerate in limited circumstances.

A national registry of new gun purchases would be created.

Universal background checks. Those who wish to purchase a handgun would be subject to a background check. Those who have been arrested more than twice in the past ten years would need to undergo a psychological evaluation in addition to a background check and would be prohibited from private sales. Production of automatic weapons would be banned.

An ammunition tax would be assessed to each ten rounds of ammunition, equivalent to one cent per percentage point of poverty rate that is reported by the U.S. Census annually (sorry, BBs).

Firearms would be permitted in public buildings by public employees only and only at their location of unemployment - if they have received proper training. It would be at the discretion of the individual (assuming they meet prerequisites outlined) as to whether or not they carry while at work.

The rest I really have no strong preferences for, as I believe in a strict but broad framework for regulation of firearms.
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 01:37:42 PM »

The right to bear arms is an anachronistic concept that I am willing to tolerate in limited circumstances.

A national registry of new gun purchases would be created.

Universal background checks. Those who wish to purchase a handgun would be subject to a background check. Those who have been arrested more than twice in the past ten years would need to undergo a psychological evaluation in addition to a background check and would be prohibited from private sales. Production of automatic weapons would be banned.

An ammunition tax would be assessed to each ten rounds of ammunition, equivalent to one cent per percentage point of poverty rate that is reported by the U.S. Census annually (sorry, BBs).

Firearms would be permitted in public buildings by public employees only and only at their location of unemployment - if they have received proper training. It would be at the discretion of the individual (assuming they meet prerequisites outlined) as to whether or not they carry while at work.

The rest I really have no strong preferences for, as I believe in a strict but broad framework for regulation of firearms.

A national gun registry wouldn't hurt anything, but I don't see the point of what it could do.
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2013, 05:19:32 PM »

Right bear arms is an unassailable right. Agree
Oppose restrictions on the right to bear arms. Agree
Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases. Ehhhh Neutral
Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns. Lean Agree
Recognize heritage of hunting and shooting on federal lands. Agree
No background checks at gun shows. Disagree
More penalties for gun violations. Neutral, this doesn't do anything, we've been raising them for a while now.
Guns don't have to be sold with trigger locks. Lean Disagree, its safer to have them.
Prohibition remains on suing gun manufacturers and sellers for gun misuse. Agree, its not their fault, its the persons fault.
National cross-state standard for concealed carry. Agree
Ban on gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C. Leave it up to Washington, if they want to do what they want, they should. However I think that the 2nd amendment should never be infringed so....
No permit needed to purchase a firearm or assault weapon. Disagree
No license required to own a firearm or assault weapon. Disagree
Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials. Agree
Require permits to carry on a shall issue basis. Agree
Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry. Agree
One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm as opposed to 3 days. I suppose, yes.
Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms. Um, I guess.
Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses. Agree
No guns on or near schools and churches. Probably agree, maybe just one for rare purposes.
Maintain current hunting laws to protect hunted species from going extinct. Agree
 
Firearms in Vehicles:
 
1. In a closed package, box, or case. Agree
2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle. Agree
3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder. Not in plain sight, secured where no one sees it.
4. Must be unloaded. Agree
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2013, 05:23:48 PM »

Gun Control is an issue I'm pretty right wing on. I absolutely support the right to bear arms with all extent and the amendment should never be repealed. I oppose limitations on magazines, as well as gun bans in general, even if their heavy duty (WAY more people get killed by handguns).

I do however, support background checks, training classes, and standard licenses to have a gun, that way we are doing are best to make using guns safe. But that's pretty much it, I am pro-2nd amendment.
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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2013, 05:42:48 PM »

Right bear arms is an unassailable right.
Disagree.  It is a right, but like many rights (i.e. freedom of speech), there should be common sense limitations.

Oppose restrictions on the right to bear arms.
See above.

Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
Disagree.

Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns.
Disagree.

Recognize heritage of hunting and shooting on federal lands.
Agree.

No background checks at gun shows.
Disagree.

More penalties for gun violations.
Agree.

Guns don't have to be sold with trigger locks.
Disagree.

Prohibition remains on suing gun manufacturers and sellers for gun misuse.
Agree.

National cross-state standard for concealed carry.
Agree.

Ban on gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C.
That's up to Washington, D.C.

No permit needed to -purchase a firearm or assault weapon.
Disagree.

No license required to own a firearm or assault weapon.
Disagree.

Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials.
What do you mean "with the exception of legal officials?"

Require permits to carry on a shall issue basis.
Sure.

Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry.
Agree.  If we require training courses for driving, I see no reason why we shouldn't require the same for owning guns.

One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm as opposed to 3 days.
I don't really understand the purpose of waiting periods.  There should, of course, be time for officials to conduct background checks.

Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms.
Okay.

Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses.
Why would you bring a gun to a courthouse?

No guns on or near schools and churches.
Agree.

Maintain current hunting laws to protect hunted species from going extinct.
Agree.

Firearms in Vehicles:
 
1. In a closed package, box, or case.
That should be acceptable.

2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle.
Not sure how that would work.

3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder.
Agree.

4. Must be unloaded.
What's the point of having a gun in the car if it's unloaded?  Unless you're (legally) transporting one...
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2013, 06:27:04 PM »

In general, I favor a non-ideological approach to guns. Allow people to own them, but apply the same standards to them as everything else. The First Amendment is not a license to incite violence, yell "fire" in a crowded theater, or prohibit Congress from any sort of campaign finance restrictions whatsoever. The Second Amendment is not a license to prohibit any regulations on firearms whatsoever.

I certainly favor universal background checks and a national gun registry, (as the latter would help law enforcement track down where criminals acquire guns). While I don't support the idea that a gun manufacturer should be liable for the misuse of a gun (in a crime, for instance), I feel it's the court's role to make that decision, and that it's inappropriate for all potential suits to be barred pre-emptively by Congress. For example, I see nothing wrong with local jurisdictions requiring manufacturers to closely monitor the retailers they sell guns to, to make sure they don't end up in the hands of criminals, and facing a suit if they fail to fulfill that obligation.

On the other hand, I'm not in favor of a renewed Assault Weapons ban, because of the poor definition of Assault Weapon. This issue generally tends to poll better than the underlying policy.
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2013, 09:23:13 PM »

Right bear arms is an unassailable right.
Disagree.  It is a right, but like many rights (i.e. freedom of speech), there should be common sense limitations.

Oppose restrictions on the right to bear arms.
See above.

Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
Disagree.

Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns.
Disagree.

Recognize heritage of hunting and shooting on federal lands.
Agree.

No background checks at gun shows.
Disagree.

More penalties for gun violations.
Agree.

Guns don't have to be sold with trigger locks.
Disagree.

Prohibition remains on suing gun manufacturers and sellers for gun misuse.
Agree.

National cross-state standard for concealed carry.
Agree.

Ban on gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C.
That's up to Washington, D.C.

No permit needed to -purchase a firearm or assault weapon.
Disagree.

No license required to own a firearm or assault weapon.
Disagree.

Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials.
What do you mean "with the exception of legal officials?"

Require permits to carry on a shall issue basis.
Sure.

Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry.
Agree.  If we require training courses for driving, I see no reason why we shouldn't require the same for owning guns.

One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm as opposed to 3 days.
I don't really understand the purpose of waiting periods.  There should, of course, be time for officials to conduct background checks.

Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms.
Okay.

Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses.
Why would you bring a gun to a courthouse?

No guns on or near schools and churches.
Agree.

Maintain current hunting laws to protect hunted species from going extinct.
Agree.

Firearms in Vehicles:
 
1. In a closed package, box, or case.
That should be acceptable.

2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle.
Not sure how that would work.

3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder.
Agree.

4. Must be unloaded.
What's the point of having a gun in the car if it's unloaded?  Unless you're (legally) transporting one...

What I mean is that if someone possesses a gun within city limits, then it should have to be concealed unless we're talking about police and law enforcement. Police obviously don't have to conceal guns at all times, but use discretion.
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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2013, 03:16:52 AM »

I agree more or less entirely with Scott.
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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2013, 11:15:23 AM »


You guys seem pretty moderate which is cool.
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« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2013, 10:55:18 PM »

Right bear arms is an unassailable right.
No, it's a right, but must be restricted somewhat.

Oppose restrictions on the right to bear arms.
Above.

Loosen restrictions on interstate gun purchases.
Disagree, the status quo is acceptable.

Allow veterans to register unlicensed guns.
No, that makes no sense.

Recognize heritage of hunting and shooting on federal lands.
As an environmentalist, I can't accept this.

No background checks at gun shows.
Gun shows are not an exception.

More penalties for gun violations.
Agree.

Guns don't have to be sold with trigger locks.
Neutral

Prohibition remains on suing gun manufacturers and sellers for gun misuse.
Depends on the kind of lawsuit. A malfunction, yes, but not sure about others.

National cross-state standard for concealed carry.
No.

Ban on gun registration and trigger lock law in Washington D.C.
Also no.

No permit needed to purchase a firearm or assault weapon.
Hell no. Ban assault weapons and require registery for everything else.

No license required to own a firearm or assault weapon.
Above.

Allow for open carry outside of cities with exception of legal officials.
Lean disagree.

Require permits to carry on a shall issue basis.
Agree.

Require 12 hour training class before allowing open carry.
Yes.

One day waiting period for purchase of a firearm as opposed to 3 days.
Fine with either.

Magazines holding more than 31 rounds considered as automatic firearms.
Undecided.

Guns must be kept in a locker room at courthouses.
Sure, but prefer more restrictions. Why would you need them in a courthouse at all?

No guns on or near schools and churches.
YES

Maintain current hunting laws to protect hunted species from going extinct.
Edit: Increase regulations to prevent extinction.
 
Firearms in Vehicles:
 
1. In a closed package, box, or case.
2. In a compartment that can only be reached by leaving the vehicle.
3. In plain sight and secured in a rack or holder.
4. Must be unloaded.

Agree with this.
 
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So overall, I cannot support this, but I'm glad to see you pragmatic on some of the issues, bbag.
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