Obama won't negotiate with Congress on debt ceiling

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Finally he learns...

[7,052,770]

Good.

[© tweed]

is not negotiating a negotiating tactic?  an ontological question.

[barfbag]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

Comments like that is why most of the blue avatars here don't even take you seriously.  Half the time you probably don't even take yourself seriously as you write these things.

[barfbag]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

Comments like that is why most of the blue avatars here don't even take you seriously.  Half the time you probably don't even take yourself seriously as you write these things.

I state a fact. Obama bowed to a foreign dictator a few years ago, but according to your thread he isn't going to negotiate with Republicans on the debt ceiling. You posted this not me.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

Comments like that is why most of the blue avatars here don't even take you seriously.  Half the time you probably don't even take yourself seriously as you write these things.

I state a fact. Obama bowed to a foreign dictator a few years ago, but according to your thread he isn't going to negotiate with Republicans on the debt ceiling. You posted this not me.

What is there to negotiate? The deficit has already been cut by billions of dollars. It's still getting cut by billions of dollars. Raising the debt ceiling is not something you negotiate, it shouldn't even have to be something we do. There's no reason to have a debt ceiling.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

Comments like that is why most of the blue avatars here don't even take you seriously.  Half the time you probably don't even take yourself seriously as you write these things.

I state a fact. Obama bowed to a foreign dictator a few years ago, but according to your thread he isn't going to negotiate with Republicans on the debt ceiling. You posted this not me.

Richard Nixon bowed to Chairman Mao.  Does that mean he endorsed Communist policies?  No.

[barfbag]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

Comments like that is why most of the blue avatars here don't even take you seriously.  Half the time you probably don't even take yourself seriously as you write these things.

I state a fact. Obama bowed to a foreign dictator a few years ago, but according to your thread he isn't going to negotiate with Republicans on the debt ceiling. You posted this not me.

Richard Nixon bowed to Chairman Mao.  Does that mean he endorsed Communist policies?  No.

It would have to conservatives. My point was that he treats our enemies better than Republicans. Remember his comment in 2008, "if they bring a knife, we bring a gun?" He wasn't talking about Al-Qaida. He was talking about Republicans. Now what if Bush used that kind of language about Democrats? Democrats in our country got all over him for his "Bring it on" statement after 9/11. Imagine how Democrats would react if Bush used such language about their own party?

[Lief 🗽]

How wonderful it is to have a president who negotiates with foreign dictators, but not Americans who love this country dearly.

Obama is more than willing to negotiate with Americans who love this country dearly. Unfortunately, as their hostage taking of the economy makes clear, this does not describe the House Republicans.

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Now all we need to do is send him back to 2011 to tell himself to not be a moron.

[7,052,770]

The fact that Republicans threatened to default to get some petty political points in on Obama is why the nation's credit rating got downgraded a couple years ago.  Why in the world should Obama let them do it again?

Remember, the entire world economy depends on the U.S. not defaulting on its debts.  Even a spoiled 2-year-old should know better than to try to put terms on that.

[Zioneer]

Why should Obama negotiate with people who consider it preferable to default or to carve vast chunks out of needed programs?

[Maxwell]

Obama doesn't seem to understand the idea that Republicans are so much better at playing chicken than him. It happened with the Sequester, it will happen again.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Obama doesn't seem to understand the idea that Republicans are so much better at playing chicken than him. It happened with the Sequester, it will happen again.

I don't think the sequester was them playing chicken. The public just didnt care or believe the hype that Obama put up on it.

[HagridOfTheDeep]

I get why he wouldn't want to engage, but it sure would be nice to see him actually try to seriously negotiate something of promise. You know, on anything.

I refuse to believe that House Republicans today are harder to deal with than they were under Newt Gingrich.

[Lief 🗽]

The Republicans' position is literally "Repeal your signature domestic accomplishment (that despite three years of attacking and two elections we are still nowhere near to having enough votes to repeal) or we will crash the global economy." It's so preposterous and ridiculous, and so obviously made in bad faith, that Obama has all the right to (and should) not engage with it.

[7,052,770]

I refuse to believe that House Republicans today are harder to deal with than they were under Newt Gingrich.

Why would you refuse to believe that?

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

I get why he wouldn't want to engage, but it sure would be nice to see him actually try to seriously negotiate something of promise. You know, on anything.

I refuse to believe that House Republicans today are harder to deal with than they were under Newt Gingrich.

The Republicans weren't controlled (or at least, weren't as controlled) by an ideology-driven subgroup in the 90s.  Nowadays, primary challenges are more of a lingering concern for Republican legislators who try to reach across the aisle even a little bit, thereby discouraging much bipartisanship at all.  And, as long as the Republican position is "repeal healthcare reform even though it's your signature accomplishment and we lost the election by a clear margin last year," Obama shouldn't have to bend over backwards for them.  Not on that.

Until they get over the fact that Obamacare is not going to be repealed (which they won't for fear of losing their seats next election), this is the way things will be, unfortunately.  And if Pete Sessions has reason to worry about a primary defeat, so does everyone else in the GOP.

[bedstuy]

There's nothing to negotiate.  No sane person in this county wants to default.  Purposefully making decision that are not in the best interests of this country is not an option for a member of the government.  It just should never be on the table because Congress has a duty of good faith and a duty of loyalty to the United States.

[ElectionsGuy]

Well at least he tried.... Ohhhhhh

But its not like the republicans will try and do anything with him.

[Maxwell]

Obama doesn't seem to understand the idea that Republicans are so much better at playing chicken than him. It happened with the Sequester, it will happen again.

I don't think the sequester was them playing chicken. The public just didnt care or believe the hype that Obama put up on it.

Sure it was. Obama put up the sequester, thinking the GOP would jump first because of military cuts. When it turned out the GOP most definitely wouldn't back down, he panicked.

[badgate]

Gosh, it seems like Obama won't negotiate with congress on the debt ceiling. Sounds like he's just leading from standing still.

[LastVoter]

I would not be surprised if Obama would be ok with resulting default/austerity of epic proportions that would be consequences of an unraised debt ceiling.

[barfbag]

There's nothing to negotiate.  No sane person in this county wants to default.  Purposefully making decision that are not in the best interests of this country is not an option for a member of the government.  It just should never be on the table because Congress has a duty of good faith and a duty of loyalty to the United States.

More debt is not an option for our nation. Congress has a duty to keep our budget balanced.